fully half the states have ended the union shop and gone to right to work laws. wisconsin - long a bastion of industrial unions is the newest right to work state. following michigan and indiana. next it could be kentucky and illinois, seen of some of the battles over struggles to organise. at pleases like international harvester, paulman, the stock starts of chicago, and coal mines of kentucky. we can look at the big losses, in once fertile soil. we are joined by the senior fellow at the competitive enterpriseinter enterpriseinstitute. and a lawyer. and author. let's talk about individual workers, what is the advantage for them. is there a strong interest in being an individual contractor rather than a member of the corrective bargaining unit? >> yes, there's a big study. we did a study pointing out the competitive enterprises, how much an individual makes more in a right to work state than they do in her compulsory unionism state. there's 3,000 to 5,000 more in a state where you have a right to work. >> i don't understand how that could be so. in states like alabama, sout

>> it's much harder than i thought. >> reporter: unions say if wisconsin becomes even chillier to organized could lose workers to neighboring states where unions still enjoy a warmer reception. they have been debating this bill all afternoon and are expected to do so into tomorrow morning. it is expected to pass and the governor would sign it as early as monday. >> diane thank you. >>> christy has been fighting the right to work bill, she is a former public school teacher, and joining us from milwaukee, wisconsin. great to you with us. why is the right to work bill the right choice for the state? >> well you said it right there. it's the choice. certainly i was a union member for 15 years and, you know, during that time i never had a choice to belong to a union, i never had a choice to go out and search for a professional trade association that offered professional insurance and all of the bells and whistles i wanted. my contract stated that i had to be a member of my local union and a local of the state and the national, so i did hear earlier in the report that people could be a fair share

union. host: the issue in this wisconsin legislation is the money, the dues paid to a union. who sets union dues and who controls who union money gets sent to in political elections, some of these political action committees and the money that goes to candidates? guest: i don't think there's a standard forum for all the unions in the country. i think all 56 unions have probably differences in how that process works. i know that the carpenters union and the laborers union have different techniques as to how they decide how money is spent and what the dues structure s. in fact, the u.a.w., i think it was last summer, they raised their dues by 25% at a vote with the delegates at the u.a.w. convention. unions are private organizations. they should be managed by the people that to want join them. they can't get over the fact that they have been granted this andulls in the marketplace. if they were a private organization, they may fare better. host: we're asking our viewers to join in. we're talking with mark mix with the international right to work. democrats can call in at 202-74

union suing wisconsin and its governor scott walker after he signed a law protecting private workers from being forced to join a union and pay deuce. obviously this can be a ripple effect nationwide. unions say it will hurt jobs but will it? >> eric, your point was right on, the unions want to force people to join unions force it always detrimental to help. if you just want to see an example look what the unions have done to airlines, schools, auto makers steelworkers. also going to be the net result of more government involvement with the unions and more union involvement in business in this country. >> wayne, will this be, i don't know case study fort rest of the country? scott walker fights the unions and wins, finally he wins, when are they going to win up and when are other states going to do the same? >> i think there's a referendum in a lot of these states eric and some of them have already passed them and some of them will continue to. anytime you can develop freedom, anytime you can have a free economy, a free election free anything it's better than have coercion. as jonathan

that's his pitch for running for president, that he destroyed union rights in wisconsin. and he did. in 2011, scott walker became nationally famous when he destroyed union rights for public employees in the state that gave birth to union rights in this country. that gave scott walker a national profile, in part because hundreds of thousands of people in wisconsin protested against what he was doing. those protests against what scott walker did were the largest demonstrations in the history of the state of wisconsin. now, this year, as he's running for president, scott walker and the republican legislature in wisconsin have basically finished the job. what they took apart in 2011, were union rights for public employees, what they took away this year, were union rights for everybody else in wisconsin. and that destruction of union rights is really the central case that scott walker is making for why he should be president that is the story he most wants you to know about him as he runs for national office. it's so central to his campaign for the presidency, he tries to attac

it is an excellent bill. >> wisconsin's law stands to be financially damaging to unions also carry symbolism. it now means that half of the country has right to work laws. devastating. >> wisconsin is the heart of industrial midwest, where unions were strong and powerful for a big chunk of the 20th century. but to see that sort of collapse, in the form of a right to work law, which would have been unthinkable a decade ago is pretty dramatic. >> reporter: union membership has been steadily declining in the u.s. and now standings at 11% of workers, down from 20%, more than three decades ago. but the recent blows are also coupled with new signs of strength. a labor dispute involving dock workers commanded the attention of the labor secretary. and the biggest strike of oil workers since the 1980s. as the economy is getting better, workers and unions are saying when it is going to affect me. and they have been giving back and taking much less increases in their contracts or none at all, and now they are saying, things are getting better, i should get some of that. >> reporter

scott walker his comparison of wisconsin union workers to isis was crazy.thing that you want to see as an american looking -- looking at your republican candidates. i think that they all have to be very very careful. >> it's interesting here chris. the biggest vulnerability for hillary clinton is foreign policy. >> i do. particularly the libya decision the whole management of the arab sprng didn't go well. >> and it's her most resume as >> that's right and so the question is will the republicans be able to have a credible attacker, i guess is the way to say it. >> and you look at this field. foreign policy, obviously it's early but it's more present as a major issue now in a republican primary than we've seen in quite some time and yet it lacks anyone who you say, onbolton aside, the top tier of it lacks, jeb bush is not a foreign policy expert. he was a governor. ? nobody ever talks about it. we've seen the problems with scott walker which is like wisconsin is just like another country which is harder. even marco rubio is going to struggle with this. chris

i think scott walker, his comparison of wisconsin union workers to isis was crazy and that's why -- that'sething you want to see as an american looking at your republican candidate. i think that they all have to be very, very careful. >> it is interesting here, chris, the biggest vulnerable i think for hillary clinton is foreign policy. i think the libya decision, in particular the whole management of the arab spring didn't go well. and so the question is, will the republicans be able to have a credible attacker i guess? >> you look at this field, the foreign policy, it is early, but foreign policy is more present as a major issue now in the republican primary than we have seen in quite some time. and yet the contrast is the field lacks anyone who you say -- john bolton, i guess aside, the top tier of field lacks -- jeb bush is not a foreign policy expert. he was a governor, right? he knows -- >> he's go on latin american policy which nobody talks about. >> we have seen the problems with scott walker which is, like, well, wisconsin is just like fill in the blank of the country, which is ha

scott walker said if he can take on unions in wisconsin, he can take on isis. walker's pandering has them drawing a different conclusion. if scott walker can't stand up to iowans, how can he stand up to the islamic state. what do you make of all this? >> it's embarrassing is what it is, frankly. liz mair is more libertarian than your average republican. here's the thing, so is every single gop strategist under the age of 40. they are more libertarian than your average republican. she wanted to get rid of farm subsidies, right? >> i met her at some con fab in d.c. years ago, and she immediately struck up a conversation about farm subsidies. and let's just be clear, this is how a conservative principle stands. ethanol is basically a wasteful government mandate that has been put in there by red seeking large corporations that benefit handsomely from it and use their lobbying dollars to keep the mandate flowing so they can make money off of it. it's inefficient and bad for the environment. >> this is exactly what scott walker used to say. yes, he is a semi front-ru

principal supporters is service employees union going after law enforcement, demonstrating and taking money, incredibly to attack law-enforcement in wisconsinh is unionized itself. this is a peculiar posture on the part of the administration and the service employees union, organized labor to be attacking law-enforcement in this country. >> for a lot of conservatives licking their chops also attacking rahm emanuel president obama's chief of staff and chicago, mayor of chicago who may go down to defeat not only because of the attacks from the right but attacks from the left. we will see how that goes. lou: thank you both for being here. we appreciate it. let's take -- have a great weekend. time now for a look at our online poll results. we ask whether you believe the implications of our poll question last night were any way responsible for pushing the president to call benjamin netanyahu. whether you like benjamin netanyahu or if the president likes benjamin netanyahu or the ayatollah more. >> chicago is in trouble. corruption, pay to play. >> and union to fight changed. >> this policy is added in chicago, is that the next detroit. that is o

the service employees union funded wisconsin jobs now which organized the appalling and ty law enforcementst in madison wisconsin just last week. extraordinary. dramatic court appearance for 4 rap mogul suge night who collapsed in a courtroom. he doubled over in his chair after a judge said his mail on murder and attempted murder charges at $25 million. the charges stem from a hit-and-run incident captured on video that took place at the end of january in compton, calif.. night's the attorney argues his client was being attacked by multiple gain members and chose to leave the scene. the prosecution obviously argues murder. up next, e-mails are not the only controversy threatening to derail clinton's quest for the white house. we will bring you the results of a poll question and we will hear your thoughts on john kerry's problems with the truth at the damage president obama is causing some of our allies.@? lou: joining us now conservative union chairman, white house political director under president george w. bush, matt schock and any holes, glad to have you both with us. let's start with

. >> without support from wisconsin's powerful police unions, there was little chance the reform would become law. bell reached out. >> i contacted the director of the state's largest police association. his name is games palmer. at first he lambasted me. you think you'll have sa billboards. >> to michael's credit he took the billboards down and began a day. >> the two bonded over a common goal. >> reporter: how did you feel when the bill passed? >> like i aecom playered my -- accomplished my mission and did what i was supposed to do. >> reporter: do you think he'll be happy? so far, it's hard to say how the new law is working. only one case has been vetted. in that case the officer was not charged. tony robinson's case will be the second. now tony robinson's mother is starting down the long row that michael bell walked before her. >> i son is another statistic, another black kid shot by the police for no reason. that has got to stop. that's "america tonight", tomorrow - the v.a. hospital turned candy land, and how that marine. tell us what you think. talk to us on twitter and facebook

principal supporters is service employees union going after law enforcement, demonstrating and taking money, incredibly to attack law-enforcement in wisconsinunionized itself. this is a peculiar posture on the part of the administration and the service employees union, organized labor to be attacking law-enforcement in this country. >> for a lot of conservatives licking their chops also attacking rahm emanuel president obama's chief of staff and chicago, mayor of chicago who may go down to defeat not only because of the attacks from the right but attacks from the left. we will see how that goes. lou: thank you both for being here. we appreciate it. let's take -- have a great weekend. time now for a look at our online poll results. we ask whether you believe the implications of our poll question last night were any way responsible for pushing the president to call benjamin netanyahu. whether you like benjamin netanyahu or if the president likes benjamin netanyahu or the ayatollah more. 63% of you said the you thought was responsible for that call. have a great weekend. neil: i and neil cavuto. the daughter boarding last night on this show wa

wisconsin governor scott walker signing into law a bill today to make his state a so-called right-to-work state, a major blow to unionsconsin, passed the state assembly in a party line vote, all the democrats voting against it, all the republicans voting for it. in right-to-work states workers can choose not to pay union dues if they don't want to even though, as union backers point out, they can still reap the benefits of a contract that union negotiates waging political war with unions has become one of scott walker's calling cards. remember the massive protests back in 2010 when he signed a law curbing the power of public employee unions. but the effort to recall walker from office over that failed. he also won re-election as governor just last fall meaning he has now won three statewide elections just since 2010. and this is a story that he, scott walker, believes can make him the republican candidate for president next year. the idea that he is someone who has pursued a deeply and aggressively conservative agenda in a democratic state and still managed to win elections in that state, and here's the thing. he may

>> reporter: walker cited his experience standing up to the wisconsin teacher's union. >> if i can takeprotesters, i can do the same across the world. >> reporter: nobody was beheading anyone in wisconsin? >> i said nobody else has that experience. nobody else except for the president. >> reporter: contrast that with former florida governor jeb bush. as he took the stage, there were audible boos. [ crowd booing ] >> reporter: a few tea party representatives actually walked out. >> i'm marking them down as neutral and i want to be your second choice. >> reporter: but bush didn't back down on his call for immigration reform even though he knows many disagree with him. >> we should give them a path to legal status where they work. where they don't receive government benefits. where they don't break the law. where they learn english. and where they make a contribution to our society. >> reporter: bush, not just trying to win over the room, but also playing to the crowd beyond. the format, q and a from conservative talk show hosts did not just throw softballs. laura ingraham. she tossed this

wisconsin becoming a right to work state. governor walker signed the bill and what was remarkable to me how little fuss and drama there was to this compared to the unionow the third state in the midwest to take this on in recent years. now they can compete with indiana and michigan. good for them. >> right to work means if you don't want to join a union and pay dues you don't have to. kim? >> speaking of politics like hillary clinton who never go away, this is a miss to the news that charlie crist may be running for office again. for those who don't know charlie crist, he was a former governor of florida up to 2010. he's made an art form of doing anything to try to get back into office again. he's run for the senate again. run for the governorship, run as an independent and republican. if he does run, just spare a little feeling for the voters of florida. >> all right. dan? >> well, paul, last week, this was a miss to the secret service. last week according to "the washington post," two secret service agents who are on the president's detail were driving back from a work party at a bar at night to the white house where they ran through a criminal inve

. >> wisconsin's governor struck a major blow today against organized labor. the law makes it illegal to force workers to pay union dues. wisconsin is now the 25th state and comes four years after signing a bill effectively ending collective bargaining for workers walker is a rising star in the republican party and potential 2016 presidential candidate. >> the vatican is confirming a disappearance of a letter last seen 20 years ago. an official received a ransom demand. the art yiflt usually dictated letters to assistants. >> a bay area woman sent thousands of dollars to the wrong compmp in my world, wall isn't a street. return on investment isn't the only return i'm looking forward to. for some every dollar is earned with sweat, sacrifice, courage. which is why usaa is honored to help our members with everything from investing for retirement to saving for college. our commitment to current and former military members and their families is without equal. start investing with as little as fifty dollars. >>> paying bills online could be easier than writing a check. but it could be easier to make a mistake. iet can.

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signed the so-called right to work law, preventing unions from forcing private sector workers they represent to pay dues. walker's signature made wisconsinstate with laws on the books that weaken unions by making it illegal for them to mandate dues from workers, even if the union negotiates on behalf of those workers. the move is part of a long trending impacting organized labor in this country. in 1970 29% of americans lived in so-called right to work states. today, 48% of americans do. so, scot my friend does this make the taxpayers of wisconsin happy? >> well the taxpayers of wisconsin right now have a $2 billion budget deficit, courtesy of scott walker and his tax cuts for the rich. what's most radical, we talk about his attacks on labor, his attacks on women, his attacks on voting. what's most radical is his attack on public education. wisconsin had the best public schools in the united states of america and we have seen the most radical privatization of those public schools of anywhere in the country. and it has been an utter and abject failure. a lot of it happens bhauz the money behind scott walker wants the privatization of educ

but without support from wisconsin's powerful police unions there was little chance the reform wouldr become law. so bell reached out. >> i contacted the director of the states largest police association, his name is james palmer. at first james just lambasted me, how dare you talk to me. you think you're going to have a conversation with me with those billboards and those ads running? >> to michael bell's credit, he took them down, and we began a dialogue that continues to this day. >> the two bonded over a common goal. and ensureing public trust with the public police. >> how did you feel when the law was passed? >> it felt like i accomplished my mission and this is where--i did everything that i was supposed to do. that's exactly what it felt like when this bill was passed. >> do you think he would be happy? >> yeah. >> al jazeera. >> and you can see more of christof's reporting on america tonight on 10:00 eastern 7:00 pacific time. fatal police shootings are now inevitably compared to what happened in ferguson, missouri. in that case it was determined that there was not enough ev

unionism states everyone has to join. what is the incentive for doing what is right by the members. there isn't any. we see in wisconsin with a teacher's union, right before the right to work. we are seeing the local unions reform. they understand that they have to offer benefits that makes sense. it's beneficial. any time that an employee can have a voice in the union is a good thing. right to work and giving a choice will help that. >> can unions mobilize workers in new ways. >> i think they can. there's evidence that there are millions of workers recognising that the only way for the voice to be heard is if they organise through collective organizations. i want to make sense of wal-mart, and the wealth that the walton family is accruing. i don't have anything against people making money. today there are wal-mart workers who collect food stamps. it means they are paying low wages that you and i are subsidizing low wages. i think the fact that wal-mart is saying we'll have to pay wages is recognition that wages are too low. unions need to become creative. recognise that times change and that that is previously what it

. >> scott walker can say, you know, of course i will be a tough leader if i can deal with unions in wisconsin fight isis. >> that is patently absurd. >> that is not the quote. >> that is exactly the message. >> here is alan and liberals out there. not everything is about you. talking about himself and his leadership qualities. that is what that quote was about. it wasn't about the left. it wasn't about unions. it was about i amhimself. you have got these kinds of things where the look at argument we're having. we're not arguing about the foreign donations to hillary's foundation. while she held an incredibly important position dealing with foreign countries for this nation. so that is not the conversation. by the way, i don't care what scott walker thinks of barack obama. i care what scott walker thinks of this country and our future. what he will do about it. >> says a lot about someone character when they can't answer direct question. hillary clinton question is valid one, no question. we're talking about scott walker. i have no problem dealing with the hillary clinton questions. >> what do

we could. >> you're biggest deal at cpac is the fact you took on and beat the public worker unions in wisconsin. but this week you seem to compare that to taking on isis. >> i could take on 100,000 protesters i can do if same across the world. >> governor isn't there a big difference between protesters and terrorists? >> there is, absolutely. i made that clear and want to make it clear right now. i'm not comparing those two entities. what i meant is about leadership. the leadership we provided under extremely difficult circumstances, arguably the most difficult of any governor in the country maybe in recent times. to me i apply that to saying if i were to run and win and be commander in chief, i believe that kind of leadership is what's necessary to take on radical islamist terrorists. >> all right. let's talk about leadership. president of the united states right now would you commit u.s. ground forces to combat isis in any way, shape or form? >> i believe we should not take any option off the table. i don't want to run in the war. i have a bunch of bracelets in my wrist of gold star families,

your appeal and you can see it at cpac is the fact that you took on and beat the public worker unions in wisconsin but this week you seem to compare that to taking on isis. >> if i can take on 100,000 protesters i can do the same across the world. governor, isn't there a big difference between protesters and terrorists? >> there is, absolutely, and i made that clear and i want do make it clear now i am not comparing those two entities. this is about leadership, the leadership we provided under extreme difficult circumstances arguably the most difficult of any governor in the country and maybe in recent times to me i apply that to saying if i were to run and if i were to win and be commander in chief i believe that kind of learn is what is necessary to take on radical islamic terrorism. you are president of the united states right now would you commit united states ground forces to combat isis in anyway, shape or form? >> i believe we should not take any opening of the table. i have a bunch of bracelets on my wrist of gold star families people who have given them to me at the funeral of their sons

candidate has been hammered over the past several days for comparing teachers and firefighting unions in wisconsin. >> if i can take on a hundred thousand protesters i can do the same across the world. i'm not comparing those two entities, what i meant was the leadership we provided under extremely difficult circumstances. to me i apply that to saying if i were to run and be commander in chief, i believe that kind of leadership is what is necessary to take on radical islam terrorism. >> he finished a strong second in cpac's straw poll. the leader was rand paul. he energized the conference with campaign campaign-like pledges like this. >> in the coming weeks i will propose the largest tax cut in american history. a tax cut that will leave more money in the paychecks of every worker in america. >> rand paul something to watch. and barbara mikulski announced she will retire from office when her time expires. she has spent the last 28 years in the u.s. senate and has two years left to work on behalf of her maryland constituents. >> i had to decide how i would spend my time fighting for my job or fight

wisconsin. loosening up regulations, limiting the power that unions may have in that state. >> what he has doneith regard to business is reduced taxes and other things, and everybody says it will not work. the state has done very well. business has improved. revenue has come in. i think the budget has flipped from a negative to a positive. that's where i stand from a business standpoint. mark: he did not graduate college, does that concern you? >> no, because a lot of idiots came out of college. mark: rand paul? >> i almost didn't want to admit it in the beginning, however the more i hear -- and i guess that makes me seek out when he is talking and hear him as much as i can. it goes back to the electability. i feel he is extreme. mark: does anyone like her not like the fact that his work with democrats in congress? >> on some things you have to work together to get things done. mark: chris christie? >> he speaks up. he speaks his mind. he's a little gruff. is not polished. >> i can't figure out if he is the one who closed the bridge or not. >> if he did, that's a negative. >> he's a northerner,

understand he is in a very good job of turning around the economy in wisconsin and loosening up regulations. limiting the power that unionsay have in that state. >> when he is done with regard to business is reduced taxes and some of the things. the state has done very well in business has improved. revenue has come in in their budget was put from a negative to a positive. that's where i stand from a business standpoint. >> didn't graduate from college, does that concern you gekko >> -- concern you? >> rand paul. >> i like his fight. >> in the beginning i didn't want to a edit -- to admitt i. --to admit it. i feel he is extreme. >> on some things you need to work together to get things done. >> chris christie. >> he doesn't care what he says, he speaks his mind. he's also a little gruff. >> i can't figure out if he was the one who close the bridge or not. >> i think that he is more appealing to a lot of us appear being that he is a northerner. >> would you see him as more or less there then scott walker. >> i would say less. >> how about compared to jeb bush? >> i think a little bit more maybe. >> marco rubio. i think he

union. that legislation is likely to land on walker's desk in the next week. if he does sign it, it will make wisconsin 25th right to work state in the country. this follows on the heels of indiana and michigan two other midwest states with union tradition and also becoming right to work states under republican governors in the last few years. we know this will help scott walker's image on the right, but where does this leave organized labor? what is the future for unions as more states become right to work states? i'm joined by jared bernstein msnbc contributor, former chief adviser to vice president joe biden and steven moore from the heritage found dagsation. >> jared a right to work state, so what happens to organized lane ner lane labor in wisconsin. >> when you are in a right to work state and this law has not pass passed passed, it doesn't mean you have to join the union, all it means is you have to pay if you're in a bargaining union, you have to pay for the negotiation and the enforcement of that contract. so right to work is a misnomer. it doesn't confer new rights or privileges on right to s

unions have now said that they will not support any candidate until fast track and the tpp is resolved. amen. this is the latest comment from president obama on wisconsins inexcusable that over the past several years, just when middle-class families and workers need that kind of security the most there's been a coordinated assault on unions led by powerful interests and their allies in government. >> wow, where was that comment or education back in 2011? the unions are afraid to tell president obama what they really think. the unions need a political foot soldier in the next race and i think unions have been burned by some democrats and this administration and that there needs to be a different path forward, a different future mapped out, if we're going to save the middle class in this country and for them to go to these firefight conventions today and say, hey there's an attack on workers. really? just getting that? the folks in wisconsin could have used president obama's influence on the walker recall and also on the walker re-election effort. it was just too much cold feet for me. there was too much dipping the toe in the lake instead of jumping in.

wisconsin. how he took on the unions and how he just got the job done, kept plowing through it. that is going to serve him very well if he goes through this process. >> you were there this week, congresswoman. who were the speakers that impressed you the most? >> well, i tell you, i think sarah palin did a great job. it was a serious speech. carly fiorina did a great job also. i was pleased to see how well so many of our people did. donald trump always ignites the crowd. rand paul just is trying to beef up his foreign policy bona fides if you will. everybody focused on that. that's the great thing. there are plenty of options for 2016. the mood is serious. people are focused. and they want to make certain that we win this thing. >> how big an issue do you think immigration is going to be in the selection of the republican nominee for president? >> i think immigration is going to be right there at the top. i think you can put border security, immigration, and actually probably the security agenda all told. national security. retirement security. economic security. job security. y