that was geoffrey stone.e would like to hear his views because what he found his that not only is what nsa was doing was what they were asking -- asked to do, but they were following the law and had great integrity. but that doesn't normally come out. what comes out is somebody sensationalize is it and claims they are in all of your networks. how many networks are out there and how many businesses? santa claus can see every child in the world. that is a nice thought but it is not correct. in the same vein, and other government agencies. the real question is, how do we -- let government know when a companies under pressure? we have to do that. if it is the government's responsibility to defend company like sony, who is going to tell them? what we do today's forensics. it is after the fact. that company, our nation, has lost a lot of money. we can and should do better. emily: stay with us. we will continue the conversation after the break. the state of cyber security. we will be right back. ♪ emily: welcome bac