susan smith has a remarkable track-record for getting people off the death penalty., susan smith. >> jared. charles: absolutely amazing. she has a remarkable track-record. how does she pull i this off? >> she stood up at the opening and conceited guilt. everybody was scratching their head. i talked to a a number of friends. the case was so strong, that's the approach. but lisa's point, really good point is that when she said the brother, you know, corrupted him, that doesn't negate guilt. that's irrelevant in the first part. now it's highly relevant. >> i think what i learned in the oj case, judge, is that the judge can almost determine the outcome of these. maybe you'll be offended by that remark. it really feels like the judge's orders to the jury at the very end almost at least tilts the final verdict. >> well, the instructions are what they are. the judge has typically standard instructions or instructions that are governed by law. it's not like the judge is deciding what i will tell the jury to do. charles: disregard this. disregard this. >> more of the influenc

that is what she did with susan smith. draw some sympathy for judy clark. draw some sympathy for him. you would want him to be human. >> absolutely. melissa: convicted of counts that carried at penalty. not good. >> i am not convinced that she did not give her client that advice. she would like him to be human. she would want him to be sympathetic as much as possible. the jurors, as human beings could relate to him as much as possible. they now decide whether he lives. it certainly is not the allies of his lawyer, i am sure. this is none of the lawyers on the panel being surprised. he probably was not surprised either. seen consistently throughout this trial. he has not expressed emotions. to me, it is not surprising. >> he shows no remorse. >> probably incapable of it. this is the guy that went on the run. the guy is totally detached from any kind of reality. >> you can make the argument even. trying to cover up the fact that it was him. he did to show emotion at this point if you are going to make that argument. >> absolutely. we have to remember that eve

he defended ted kaczynski and susan smith. they both avoided the death penalty. we have breaking news coming in from the white house. a senior supervisor for the secret service has been suspended after and a legend incident involving a female employee. javier allegedly made unwanted sexual advances and grabbed a woman at agency headquarters. rollins is on an internal do not admit list to prevent him from going in the office. >> we are getting a first look at some new video. this is showing north charleston police officer michael slager moments after he shot and killed walter scott. he was describing to another officer what he said happened in that confrontation. he shot an unarmed man as he ran away. we now know what he told investigators and what a video showed not match up. this comes after graphic developments in the case. >> black lives matter. >> protesters took visible stands today. they said that a cold change is needed to prevent this. as for the criminal case, today north charleston's mayor ordered body cameras for each of the city's police officer. slag

carolina who drowned her children and she convinced the jury that susan smith was the victim of abuse, and saved her life. the strategy we hinted in the report regarding dzhokhar tsarnaev is they want to paint the picture of him being a confused college boy, a loner from a broken home manipulated by his elder brother tama lan - that's crucial - but also that the state should not take a life. that's the defense. she's done well in the past judy clark lost a couple of key points in the trial. many say this is her toughest challenge in her 20 i don't remember career. >> let's talk about the key points. what are they? >> the key one is moving the trial. the defense wanted to move the trial so badly from boston because they said "look, it's impossible to get a fair trial for this boy in boston let alone massachusetts" and cited the oklahoma city bombing, tim mcvay's trial in '97 moved away from oklahoma to denver. it didn't benefit him. he was found guilty and put to death. they lost that battle and the other, they went to an appellant court, another set of judges. and the other thing that

>> the wild card is the defense attorney and does she save susan smith who drowned her children if anybody can do magic is her i will give him a 50/50 shot kennedy: you're really coming down hard. [laughter] thank you for coming. i appreciated. the reports that bergdahl planned to desert the near bergdahl and got inside his head of first charged with murder after shooting a guy in the back is the best thing for everybody especially the police coming up in moments you're down with crestor. yes! when diet and exercise aren't enough, adding crestor lowers bad cholesterol up to 55%. crestor is not for people with liver disease, or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor all medicines you take. call your doctor if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired, have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine, or yellowing of skin or eyes. these could be signs of serious side effects. i'm down with crestor! make your move. ask your doctor about crestor. kennedy: a police officer in south carolina has been charged with murder following a video surface

she helped spare the life of susan smith who was convicted of driving her minivan with her two young sons into the water and drowning them. jared locker -- lochner and also zach ryeall alsozacarias moussaoui. bill: this cover of the ""boston herald"" said "evil did not win that day." a majority of those living in massachusetts do not support the death penalty. also talked to a "boston herald" reporter who covered the story every single day from the beginning two years ago. martha: we are awaiting a verdict in the murder trial of aaron hernandez. jurors will resume their deliberations today after spending 9 hours deliberating. we are learning more about the police officer caught on camera shooting an unarmed black man in the back. protesters demanded justice for walter scott. the officer faces murder charges after firing after eight shots and killing mr. scott. it was picked up on a witness's video. there is an effort independentway to cool the tensions that have arising. the city is ordering all officers to wear body cameras. >> we are doing our best as a city and a police department

these are the other bad people that she's been able to get the death penalty from, jared loughner, susan smiththee. >> you have judy clarke saying you know what, she believes him and she's telling me that he's wrong. but you have to use a few other things. >> there's a prosecution side. a lot of news going on. thank you so much randy. >>> the dzhokhar tsarnaev boston bombing case brings the debate about the death penalty to a whole different level in my mind. you're going to always have people who are for to death penalty and those who are not. i think we should look at islamic terrorisms whose only mission in live is to kill americans. if you don't send islamic terrorists to death that sends a message to the outside world and to any terrorist that we're weak. i say this with a lot of deep thought on the matter i covered the execution of the oklahoma bomber timothy mcveigh i have seen both sides of the issue, i have interviewed death row inmates during their last days, i have heard the electric chair reving up and going through its testing cycle. i have reported countless times on the convict'

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you are a successful attorney, you know that susan smith has an amazing track record of keeping the mostnt murders off of death row. >> i think she may have run out of her winning streak in the sense that, you're right, it ted kaczynski, that's terrible. >> in this particular case, maybe i am crazy, i think he's just a poster boy for this punishment. >> 49 states, they are looking at possible terrorist activity, 49 states and its frightening stuff. i think that we have to set an example. >> elizabeth warren said he shouldn't get the death penalty as well. but i would like to hear the voices of the regular bostonians that don't have the platform. i would be shocked. >> he blew up an 8-year-old child. an 8-year-old child. >> he said it was against what the u.s. was doing to the muslims overseas. but now it's like he's made it a political thing. >> his mother said that america is a terrorist and everyone knows it. and it we made the them permanent citizens, we gave them everything, they went to the university, and this is the repayment. obviously this starts at home. does this help us get a

from what i understand, the attorney who -- susan smith who defensed ted kaczynski and and the merge who drowned her kids, was able to keep them off death row. she will hit hard but with the same strategy? it was the older brother's influence that made him do this? didn't the jury say they don't believe that? >> the defense attorney is one of the leading if not the foremost expert in death penalty cases. her statistics are she has a higher number of clients who are convicted on death penalty cases but not given the death penalty. the defendant has the very best. that's what you want in a case like this of such magnitude. the federal sentencing -- the federal laws list a number of -- about 25 aggravating factors and about 25 mitigating factors. so at -- >> what's the difference? >> aggravating are negative things. the judge is going to tell the jury is that they are to consider what are the negative things that would support a death sentence and what are the most positive things that would go to the defendant's favor. they have to find after the sentencing part that the aggravating ou

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i guess after she represented susan smith and made it so that she did not face the death penalty, that's the mother who killed her children years ago and really stunned the nation. judy clarke since then has worked on these sorts of cases. trying to keep people off -- away from the death penalty and to get life in prison. she's good at it. >> let me tell you something. if you went to the justice department right now and ask them who they think should be the lawyer for the defendant in this case they say judy clarke. that's how well respected she is. what she's done is really pure genius. she's conceding the aggravating factors. she's thrown in the towel on them. what she has said from the beginning of guilt/innocence is the relative role in the case specifically had the older brother been alive, there wouldn't be a death penalty case right now for the younger brother because he would have gotten life without patrol and all efforts would have gone after the older brother. the 17-year-old, they just got life, no parole. here, unfortunately, for this defendant, his brother was killed. >> i

she did this with susan smith with respect to the woman that killed her two children.d she was able to successfully defend that case. and avoid the death penalty for her client. she represented other mass murderers as well and been successful. she does so because she brings in expertise to the matter, brings an enthusiasm, and she's a tireless worker. she's a terrific advocate and he's fortunate to have this dream team of defense lawyers. >> it's interesting there is so much more suspense about this portion of the trial, after his conviction than there was even about the conviction itself. >> well, this is the much harder burden for the government here. most of us expected that the jury would return a guilty verdict with respect to the charges themselves. but 17 of them as you pointed out carry the death penalty. this will be an uphill battle for the government. >> michael coyne thank you very much. >>> the man shot and killed by a policeman in south carolina. the investigation of that case took a dramatic turn when the video of that incident was made public late yeste

susan smith, who drove her children, her tiny children into a lake and drowned them. she is still alive and kicking. there is that ability here. however -- >> eric rudolph, the olympic park bomber, she represented. i mean, there are lots of people, there is a long list that she, don't forget bill fick as well. liz: we're not challenging her brain power. she's a genius, we know that. but, eric, the evidence with the video, does it work to say to a jury, does it work to say, oh, he was under ven gally laugh like influence of his brother? -- svengali-like influence. >> she is excellent attorney. but the evidence is evidence. this is hain just act. she played it brilliantly from the beginning. this will not be about big brother, versus little brother, who is under who's spell. he was 19 at time. i think it was played right. the issue though, if there is case for death penalty, one of the issues for the death penalty or arguments against it, used proportionally against minorities, in particular african-americans. we don't have that in this particular case. are we sure we'l

i think she represented the unibomber, eric rudolph, the abortion doctor murderer, and susan smith -- drove her minivan into a lake to kill her two young children. that lawyer has represented all of those three people and got them off the death penalty. do you think the same -- i mean she's a very effective lawyer. >> yes. stuart: will she plead her case in court in the sentencing phase? >> she's probably the most effective, certainly the best known capital punishment defense lawyer in the country, and, you know lawyers specialize in everything these days stuart. her specialty is getting the admittedly guilty off people as to whom the evidence of guilt is cleary overwhelming. -- clearly overwhelming. she has a population base from which the jury came profoundly against the death penalty. even after he was convicted yesterday, the eastern part of massachusetts, a poll showed only 25% of the people living there wanted to see him executed. she also has a person on the jury who said at the time of to have the jury interrogation that she, the juror, was against the death penalty. the gover

judy clark fought to keep clients the uni bomber and susan smith off death row. the defense resting after six hours of testimony. dzhokhar did not testify. his lawyers admitting he played a part but tried to show tamerlan was the leading man. >> the defense shows the picture of dzhokhar following tamerlan through those pictures showing he was just a follower. >> the jury made up mostly of women will decide dzhokhar's fate and bigger questions remain. if found guilty will this same jury sentence him to the death penalty? now, the jury will weigh 30 criminal counts against him. 17 of which carry a possible death penalty sentence. >> we move to the white house an president obama on offense moving on every front to sell congress and critics on the nuclear deal with iran. in an interview with the new york times obama called the deal a once in a lifetime opportunity but acknowledged the challenges ahead. >> we're not done yet. there are a lot of details to be worked out. you could see backtracking and slippage and real political difficulties both in iran and obviously

defense attorney judy clark has successfully saved several high profile clients including uni bomber, susan smith mother that drove into the lake drowning her two young sons strapped in the back seat of her vehicle. elements that may help spare tsarnaev's life. ultimately it's up to the jurors. their decision must be unanimous. all it takes is one that refuses to vote for the dealtth penalty and he gets life in prison. >> we have the criminal and civil rights attorney. it's great to have you here. as we talk about this, and there's been a break between the conviction where they came back from being behind closed doors and convicted him on 30 charges to now we get to the penalty phase. they've had patriot's day, boston marathon that ran successfully. >> and the anniversary. >> and the anniversary. so if you're the judge that told jurors not to pay attention to coverage. jurors are not sequestered. they're going to 711 getting a coffee, doing things. there's no way they can avoid all contact with media coverage about this. how do they realistically keep themselves pure? >> i think it's self-imposed

that leads us to this woman, susan smith, remember her, the mom who confessed to rolling her car into strapped in the vehicle. jurors spared her death after clarke argued that smith was sexually abused by her father. she was sentenced to life in prison and is reportedly up for parole in the year 2024. so those names, those faces that were once in our headlines daily, so now they are living spared death. we'll see if dzhokhar tsarnaev is one more name to that list. >> we know the judge gave the jury today and tomorrow off and get to roll into the weekend and we think they'll be back as early as next week starting on monday. we'll take you back to north charleston to find out what's next for a community now demanding more answers from its leaders. when we come back chelsea maning breaking her silence about her decision to live as a woman behind bars. people ship all kinds of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it's 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that me

she saved a bunch of clients from the death penalty including susan smith. do you remember her?r, then eric rudolph the atlanta olympics bomber. she did not save timothy mcveigh. he was executed in 2001 as we mentioned. >> if the past is prologue what has happened in similar cases to the boston bombing? >> timothy mcveigh killed 168 in the oklahoma city bomber. the defense was the bombing was a justifiable response to what he believed were government crimes. executed in 2001. the unibomber killed 23 people. he beeth the death penalty by striking a plea deal. >> ultimately the big question is what are the chances of the death penalty? >> it's split in terms of public opinion across the country and boston. we know the jury require as unanimous vote for all 12 jurors. during voir dire they were asked would you give the death penalty. only 27% would put him to death. yesterday the boston globe said no death for him. the catholic bishops have spoken out against it. parents and relatives have spoken for it. the issue is should he rot in prison for the rest of his life or should he rot

susan: back talking about martha washington with pat brady and richard norton smith. have a tweet here from jennifer sherman who writes, "amazing how much time martha washington spent with her husband on the front lines.” on the front lines what i wanted to start with. it sounds genteel, the existence we were hearing about. but 2500 soldiers died in that encampment in that winter. richard: it wasn't viewed as genteel by her contemporaries. one of the things that fostered a bond between mrs. washington and what would be the american people was the perception that she sacrificed every bit as much as her husband in the war. this is another part of her training in a sense for being first lady. he was in effect for eight years an executive. the closest thing that the country had. she was a first lady of sorts. and very touching story. they -- they had one room on the second floor of valley forge. then they had an hour every morning that was sacred. one hour when they weren't to be disturbed. wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall for those conversations because washingt

susan: what were her roots? where was she born? what was her upbringing such that she became a woman of letters? edith: she was the daughter of a minister, reverend william smithher mother was descended from nobility in new england. the clergy and political world of new england, of massachusetts bay colony. her mother's family were nortons and quincy's. she grew up in a household that was quite middle-class for that time and had two sisters and one brother. she was by all reports, sickly as a child and therefore did not go to any kind of public schooling. of which there were a few. but was educated at home by her mother. she read at random in her father's library. susan: in the course of reading her writing, when did she become political? and can you describe her politics? c. james: i am trying to think. very early on when john is at the continental congress, she craves the news. she wants the newspapers. she wants pamphlets when they are published. one of the things -- she is consuming the news at that time. all of the news was printed. she begins -- by the mid 1770s she is on board. susan: in what capacity, what was her political thinking? c. james: she was