>> clyde conrad. i'm sorry. i didn't put my card up there. >> next speaker please. >> good evening president lazarus and commissioners. i'm name is karen and i'm with breathe california. i'm here to urge you today to uphold the ruling of environmental health and maintain the suspension penalty for breaking the law. the coalition has work on supporting this ordinance to include the definition of e-cigarettes to the definition of tobacco products. we believe that e-cigarettes must be regulated and treated like regular cigarettes. one of our primary authorities for the tobacco free coalition is to reduce use access to -- tobacco products. ;( s we don't want to sign precedence for this unfair business advantage. you know how young people are, we& purchase cigarettes and they're not going to check i.d.s. that becomes the place to go. this is unfair business advantage that gets created at the same time. it thwarts our efforts to reduce smoking among minors. i urge you to uphold the suspension so retailers will take th