in contrast, john norman's enthusiastic attempts seem crude, if not preposterous. norman and his partners saw that -- sold their interest in the boston magazine a few months after the washington engraving was published. unfortunately, the new publishers were not at all impressed with norman's ingenuity. in "the boston gazette," they announced they were discontinued the plates, noting there customers have found great fault with the cuts as being badly executed. norman responded immediately blaming the omission of the plates on the refusal of the new publishers to pay him. it is hard to know the accuracy of either claim but if readers had indeed complained, you could hardly blame them. i have to admit, however, a soft spot in my heart for john norman, laboring over his copper plates, trying to squeeze one more bare breast in there before the springs of a lair. norman spread peale's image of the commander in chief and created images that can be copied by even less skilled relief cut artists onto blocks that would be in continual use your in the 1780's and 1790's. the c

perry betts, thomas liciardello, linwood norman, john spencer michael spicer, each has decade of experiencee. the federal prosecutors in a 26 count racketeering indictment say the the men were part of the elite narcotics squad and toll more than $400,000 in drug money. they planted evidence. they roughed people up. even accused of dangling one allege drug dealer off a high rise balcony. jury after hearing all the arguments, well, they didn't buy any of it. here's defense talking after the verdict. >> we're lated that the jury saw it the way we did. >> it is a complete indication of these officers and complete rejection of the government's case. >> my opinion the problem was that they did not investigate before they indicted and they started to interview witnesses, six months after the indictment and at rest of these people and when they started hearing the things from witnesses who were on the scene, as a matter of fact, it went more toward establishing their innocence, and innocence is a lot different than in the guilty. the innocence means they have absolutely not done anything wrong beyo

john's mother certainly dan. it is also good then he spoke earlier of the disproportionate number of young jewish boys who remained in my errors of normanthomas and right donald been an important left pacifist and cultural critic i guess his name had come up earlier. he is certainly a figure that relates again with john's mother on point here. how many of these people were so supporters of norman thomas erdrich mcdonald at that time became probably the most right-wing cold war is liberal blogs. in many cases that is probably over reaction to some of their experience. others might have been more complicated. maybe a few of them this would certainly be a scandalous idea when it comes to stories treating to top themselves that it would've been all about anti-communism or nearly so. i realize i haven't given them a straightforward answer to your question. i want to address it is a subject i guess you're right to ring up important things to discuss and the whole discussion around it really deserves a lot more nuance, which is what i hope to provide in my book. >> so this is a two-part question. you said at the beginning you hear a lot of you

leadership in stepping up and also to principal greg john and sfpd for being great partners chief sir, the moment i called him at the beginning and norman reached out to them, they're 100% behind the program, it was a great partnership and we have a couple of student comments that we're going to speak as part of public comment. >> hello my name is [inaudible] quan, i'm a student at galileo high school, i want to talk about the importance of education of elementary students motor vehicle accident iss a very real and present danger, we can't change the way people drive we have to make sure youth practice as much caution when crossing the streets, parents do not always educate their kids about traffic safety, they carry it to middle school, high school, even daily life -- base ki *fically i can still remember when i was being taught by my teachers and parents of traffic safety, this is an important thing that everybody should learn and practice caution as much as possible l.a. street smarts, everything we can do to educate these elementary school student we're trying to create a culture of safety for our students, to cross the streets, to

leadership in stepping up and also to principal greg john and sfpd for being great partners chief sir, the moment i called him at the beginning and norman reached out to them, they're 100% behind the program, it was a great partnership and we have a couple of student comments that we're going to speak as part of public comment. >> hello my name is [inaudible] quan, i'm a student at galileo high school, i want to talk about the importance of education of elementary students motor vehicle accident iss a very real and present danger, we can't change the way people drive we have to make sure youth practice as much caution when crossing the streets, parents do not always educate their kids about

and norman the center of the documentary film southern rites premiering on hbo this monday at 9:00 p.m. i'm joined now by the film's director. so people won't be confused, we should explain that johnlped bring the story to light. >> he was executive producer. he wrote and sang a song for the film. >> i had an opportunity to see it early and it is very complicated. talk to me first about the prom story that initiated much of the country's attention on this space. >> right. well, i learned about the town in 2002 because a really brave student at montgomery county high school wrote a letter to a magazine that she subscribed to spin magazine, and it was a really a cry for help, a plea, please come to my town. i can't take my boyfriend to the prom because he's black and i'm white. so prom season had passed abtsz the next segregated event was homecoming. so we went down to montgomery county in 2002 and i photographed the segregated homecomings. and i was so shocked about what i saw. this was something that i read about in history books. i didn't know it was still happening in our country. so i knew i wanted to return. and then in 2008, i thought there is no way that they're still segreg