but in the 1990s and early 2000s, holly shulman and david mattern at the papers of james madison at theversity of virginia began collecting her papers, and they published them in a lovely book called, "the selected letters of dolley madison." but holly shulman is now the web master of the dolley madison digital edition, which anybody can find in their library, and it has every letter to and from dolley. so these are the papers that are really crucial. and we also have this great account from her niece, mary cutts. and she writes about her aunt. and a lot of those stories which must have come from dolley -- edith: herself. catherine: herself, right? edith: yes. catherine: so that tells us that, late in her life, she's getting a sense of her legacy. so she, of course, cannot obtrude upon the public notice as a man would, but we think that she kind of coopted her niece and gave her these memoirs, which we've now just published for the first time so people can read those. susan: we have our first bit of video to show you. throughout the night, we'll be visiting places that were important to