mr. rosenbaum: sure. mr. trudeau: the problem that i thought this presented for all of us as american cartoonists at least in talking with my colleagues, is that we were sold ambivalent -- so ambivalent, professionally, and don't really relate to satiric culture of the french. we don't really have a charlie hebdo in this country. jules is more of the world of edgy cartooning and being in a newspapers his whole life, i had my career was in family newspapers, so i had a different set of constraints and a different set of imperatives. in talking with my colleagues, we agreed on a number of things. one, obviously, we were all horrified with these murders because they were part of our small global family of cartoonists, but secondly, we could identify with what they had done, as i will get to that in a moment. -- and i will get to that in a moment. and let me show the cartoon, and i show, mon dieu, what a motley crue, folks, it these cartoonists -- motley crew, folks, these cartoons have disappeared, but they will