>> well, actually, the russell tice had already admitted that he was one of the sources. as i understand from reading i believe james risen has said once or twice there were about a dozen sources. but none of the other ones have been revealed. and risen took the unusual step of saying publicly on a number of occasions that it wasn't the five of us who were targeted and that he knew -- he didn't know any of us and had not received any information from us. >> and who was this person who came forward and said -- >> russell tice. >> and who was he, where did he work? >> russell tice was a contractor at an nro ground station, and if i want to depress you more, yes the satellites are collecting on us too. [laughter] but, and he said that he had high-level clearances and i think he was working nights, and he went there once to put a piece of paper into a burn bag which are usually bags about this big, you know? paper bags in which they collect classified that is supposed to be burned. and he saw something in a bag that he thought was very unusual. he took it out and he read it,