i think there used to be a truck called voodoo van.ink they used to sale burgers. >> thank you. >> any other public comment?no seeing none, we will move into rebut at -- rebuttal. mr.cohen you have three minutes. >> i would like if everybody really liked me. unfortunately, sometimes you have differing opinions with certain people. i think what we try to do -- i could have traded the other 22 food trucks that we work with down here to try and sort of say and sort of attest to how fair and reasonable we try to be. i thought that will be a sample. we make special agreements with trucks like bacon bacon. there's no physical menu of a picture of a truck taken because we requests and have them remove the burger from their menu. same thing with voodoo van. we've made decision that sliders, especially barbecue sliders are okay. you'll notice that the only picture, documentation that was presented by thenv one of barbecue sliders. we've just made the decision that you can only go so far and that's more of a sandwich. you'd say, country grill ex

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