we saw doug brannen come out and say he'll file the bill to bring it down. >> that's a republican statetor. >> for my my journey is to understand faith without works is dead. so as we move forward, we have to have faith, but our work has to be to come together to remove this symbol of hate and i believe that we will. >> and david, your argument -- you wrote very long op-ed for "national review". >> i read it by the way. >> it was well written. you granted a lot of bakari's point about why people could and should be offended by it but at the end of the day you still think it represents to you, and i guess you think to a majority of people who support it heritage not hate. >> i have grown up in the south, and i understand all of the many dimensions that are brought to the view of that flag. and i completely -- i agree with everything that bakari just said about its meaning and its import to a huge number of our very dear citizens who are suffering today. and again, i hate that this debate is taking place against the backdrop of that suffering. but it is viewed in many different ways by ma