mr. desantis: enemies can and will use this information. what is the possibility of that information falling into enemy hands? that can be for anybody. dr. ozment: sir that is a question we will discuss in a closed setting later today. mr. l desantis: for this forum can you say that, that is a significant risk? that is not the type of information that we would want the enemy to have, and it can, in fact, be very damaging, correct? dr. ozment: we will defer discussion of that. mr. desantis: i get that, and i will be there, and i will listen intently. but it really concerns me because this is a treasure trove for our enemies potentially, and the fact that this system was hacked and we didn't even know about it for a long time, that is really, really troubling. i think that the american people -- i mean, if you ask people to want to serve in these sensitive positions and they think by filling out these forms they are actually going to put their families at risk because the government is not competent enough to maintain that secretly, that is a

mr. desantis. jimmy walker at this point i -- walk walk at this point i -- mr. walker: at this point i yield time to the representative. mr. desantis: if you're a taxpayer and you become subject to an i.r.s. audit, you've got to prove and justify what you submitted to the i.r.s. if you tell the i.r.s., you know i don't really have those documents, they were destroyed, nothing i can do, let's just move along, i don't think most i.r.s. agents are going to accept that. and i think the taxpayer would likely find themselves in hot water. so i think it's really unacceptable that the i.r.s. seems to think it can operate under a totally different standard than the standard that it imposes on american taxpayers. we've been going through this now since 2013 with lois learner and the targeting -- lerne rembings and the targeting -- lerner and the targeting scandal. they said they were going to produce lois lerner's emails. then they said, well, actually her emails, most of them are destroyed because, you see, they're held on these backup tapes and we recycle the backup tap

mr. desantis of florida is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. ms. archuleta, in your testimony you said, we have now confirmed that any fed roll employee from across all branches of government whose organization submitted service history records to opm may have been compromised even if their full personnel file is not stored on the system. what do you mean by service history in. >> their careers, they may have been in a different position earlier than perhaps as they move around government. so it may be someone who current -- whose job would not be -- current job would not be in the system but because of their service history their information would be dated back. and it's for retirement purposes. >> okay. so potentially broader breach. i'll tell you, with sf 86 i remember filling that out when i was a young officer in the navy. and it is by far the most intrusive form that i've ever filled out. it took me days. i had to go do research on myself to try to figure out. and it's not just that you're doing a lot of personal and sensitive data about the

mr. desantis: china now has a list of chinese this is -- citizens in close contact with american officials. they will use that for espionage purposes. what our security implications? that could be for anybody. >> that is a question we will discuss. >> some reports say that not only were hackers pursuing information on federal employees, but also password and encryption keys that could be used for trade secret theft and espionage. i guess you will have more to say in a classified setting. for this forum, can you say that that is a significant risk, that is that the type of information we would want the enemy to have? and it can be damaging, correct? dr. ozment: again, we will defer discussion of that way classified briefing. rep. desantis: i get that. i will be there, i will listen intently. it concerns me, because this is a treasure trove for our enemies, potentially, in the fact that this was hacked and we didn't know about it for a long time. that is really troubling. i think the american people, if you ask people to want to serve in these sensitive positions and they think like filling