the findings, from the annie e. casey foundation, show 22% of u.s. children were living in poverty in 2013. that's compared to 18% in 2008. those rates were nearly double among african-american and native american children, with problems most severe in the south and southwest. some of those conclusions also echo a recent analysis by the pew research center. it found black children were almost four times as likely as white children to be living in poverty. joining me to discuss the cause and the effect of these sobering numbers are: patrick mccarthy the president and c.e.o. of the annie e. casey foundation and mark hugo lopez of the pew research center. mark hugo lopez, why these populations in particular in why are they suffering? >>suffering? when you look at unemployment rates particularly, you see for african-americans in june unemployment was 9.6% for whites 4.5%. unemployment for african-americans is almost double that of white and that's an important part of explaining the story of why many children are living in poverty. many of their parents

these are numbers coming out from the annie e. caseyion and telling a very sobering story of what children are having to deal. it doesn't seem like the recovery has come to the children. everybody else but them. >> 35,000 in d.c. >> 35,000 >> 16 million nationwide. why? >> quite a few reasons. first of all, you have problems with the parents parents are not being able to get the type of jobs that they need to really sustain families. we are talking about people even working full time, but still making salaries if you want to call them that, that are well below the poverty line working full-time hours but there's no secure employment for some of these parents. >> talk to somebody about that. >> we did talk to somebody about that last night, as a matter of fact, on the daily drum. we had a conversation with someone who says if we are going to attack this situation we are going to have to do it in a multipronged aspect. >> i think what happens when we talk about social services, it's either/or, children or families, but this approach has t