he's amassed stuff from so much time, he had stuff frvment from the k comfortk, from the sovereign militia movement, and all sorts of things on the right wing on the left wing, various types of things that could contribute eventually violently if they're violent to go on to domestic terrorism. what he says is it's very important for these things to be used in law enforcement training and it's interesting looking at these things because they look so benign, like a manual or a booklet but when you open them up and read about the violent and criminal thing, it's important for law enforcement to know bit and come up with a strategy. >> not just like the flags and bangers but if you really be read -- banners but if you read what is in these publications. under the latest circumstances where you're starting to see the rise of something out there again, i mean is this cause for lawmakers, for law enforcement as well, to reconsider what those threats really are? >> well this is certainly not a conversation that's going away given all the events that have been happening. these are things that peopl