to make a long story short, howard shipley filed a petition in a patent case, which that's already a challenge to make it understandable. it turned out that his client, a german industrialist, who was not an english speaker, insisted on writing the brief, the petition himself, when the lawyer said, we really need to change this, he said no. the lawyer decided to go ahead and file the petition anyway. it was complete gibberish. it was almost illegible. there were acronyms and all sorts of things you would never want to subject a generalist court to. the court threatened to discipline him for it. to make a long story short, howard shipley hired paul clement who was able to fend off the discipline and the supreme court discharged the show cause order but they did issue a warning to lawyers that they really have to use plain english in their petitions and they also can't delegate the tasks to their client. but it just seemed like an incredible story of a nightmare client telling the lawyer, you must do it this way. there was some debate about it. other lawyers said, the client doesn't ru

. >> i think it was the saga of howard shipley, the lawyer who was the first time in years when the court threatened to discipline a lawyer for usurped position that he wrote. to make a long story short howard shipley filed a position in a patent case which that is already a challenge to make understandable but it turned out that his client, a german industrialist who was not an english speaker, insisted on writing the brief, the petition himself. when the lawyer said, you don't really need to change this, he said, no. and the lawyer decided to go ahead and sign filed the petition. anyway, it was complete gibberish. it was almost illegible of their acronyms and all sorts of things he would never want to subject to a generalist court. and the court threatened to discipline him for it. make a long story short, howard shipley hired a man who was able to fend off the discipline and the supreme court discharged the order related issue a warning -- but they did issue a warning that lawyers have to use plain english in their petitions and they also cannot delegate the task to the client. it just

>> that was is saga of howard shipley, the lawyer, it was the first time in years when the court threatened to discipline a lawyer for the cert petition that he wrote. and to make a long story short showered shipley filed a petition in patent case which that is already a challenge to make understandable. but it turned out that his client a german industrialist who was not an english speaker insisted on writing the brief the petition himself. and when the lawyer said you know, we really need to change this he said no and the lawyer decided to go ahead and file the petition anyway and it was complete jibberish.