liz: relate me just say this -- let me just say this, the previous ceo of dish was joe clayton, a friendjoe basically had to be told by ergen before he really got to say anything about spectrum or mergers, and he's a grown-up in and of himself. there's joe clayton at ces -- >> what i hear from my bankers, and we were, like, early on reporting this thing, my sources were saying ergen has made it clear to john ledger that he would take the chairman, you can be the ceo. that's what my -- if this thing happens. we'll see. he's kind of a wildcard, this guy, too, isn't he? liz: in colorado. >> i thought that was a fascinating interview, and you got it out of him. let's be clear to viewers, liz claman got him to concede there is deal talk, and he's going to be the ceo if it happens. liz: charlie, thank you very much. charlie gasparino. and no comment from dish. you called them, right? >> they didn't call us back. we call everybody. we called the new york stock exchange, they did call us back. after they dissed us, i think now they want to be our friends. liz: so you picked up the phone, what re

he stepped out of the spotlight in 2011 and handed the ceo reins to joe clayton. asis back in the hot seat another undergoes change. creating a new over the top product called sling tv and buying up the billions of dollars worth of wireless assets. assets he says can be used to build a legitimate competitor to at&t and verizon. when we first sat down for interview, i asked ergen to describe this new frontier. charlie: now we are in another transformation. it has gone about in two places. one is tv itself is transforming. people are looking for more of what they want to watch. not paying for things they don't watch. they want to watch their tv everywhere, and part of that is the technology of ott, over the top, allows customers to do that. the second transformation is the wireless industry where the world is going to be connected all the time. there are only two ways to do it. one is with a wire and the other is wirelessly. we started on a mission five years ago to say we think we can be part of that revolution and the best place for us to enter the marketplace is