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for more we go to larry cohen, former president of the telecommunications workers of america.et. what do you make of it and what would an adverse ruling do to unions? >> well first of all, the irony that a court that believes in state's rights doesn't believe in state's rights in taking up this case. so most states don't have collective bargains for the sector let alone what's called representation fees as you mentioned. there's no bargaining rights in in texas, for most of the south, in the west for the public sector at all. far below the global standard. the states that do have rights some have representation fee, many don't. in this case the court is diving into those states that do and saying we think there's a first amendment issue here. that's how they get around the states rights frame that normally would keep them out of these cases. so again, what we have is a court that looks for any excuse to go after workers rights whether in the public sector or the private sector in this case the public sector. in terms of the unions -- so i come from the public sector in the cwa

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for more larry cohen, and laura tyson great to have you both with us tonight. larry i'll start with you first. there is a pitch being made by both campaigns. is there a rush? speaking from both perspectives. >> i think working americans across the country there is a rush for them. they haven't had a raise in real terms in 30 years and working people are saying yeah i like bernie sanders because this is what he's been doing for 50 years for his whole lifetime. so 4,000 union activists have signed up already on our website, labor for bernie. so it's a rush for them based on their own perceptions. >> why is bernie better than hillary? you have made that distinction. why would you select him over hillary when it comes to these issues? >> again i think it is because how he spent the last 50 years. what he's done. he's been with us on picket lines. he's been on organizing drives. he spoke out against fast track. we hoped secretary clinton would. 85% of the democrats in the house did. and i think those are the issues that divide them. more importantly they are very div

. >> larry cohen, thank you for spending some time with us on this tonight. as i mentioned, ed will be covering this more in the coming days. that is "the ed show." "politics nation" starts now. >>> tonight on "politics nation," the gop pushed to dump trump. party elites are running scared and trying to keep the donald out of debates. also the bernie effect. hillary clinton speaks out about her primary fight with senator sanders. and breaking news on a gop attempt to delay or even derail a vote on the confederate flag. we'll go live to south carolina. welcome to "politics nation." we begin tonight with a scramble inside the republican party to knock out donald trump as the firestorm over his mexican immigrants comment rages. and threatens the entire republican brand. it comes as another organization cut ties with trump. the pga saying today it will not hold this year's grand slam of golf tournament on a trump course. at least nine companies have now backed away from trump. today we're learning just how worried party leaders and big donors are. conservative ne

larry cohen, how can the left embrace answers like this in positions like this? a very direct question. how can those who are concerned about climate change embrace this? >> we can't. these non answer whether it was on fast track, as you said or now on keystone xl pipeline they are unacceptable. and this kind of triangulation. people are fed up. and that is why tomorrow there are 3,000 house visits for bernie sanders. and people are fed up with business as usual. and they want to vote for their believes and values and that is the campaign we're building. >> mike does it matter if the state department started a process -- yob if that's a true or not. they have been talking about keystone i thought for a decade. does it matter what she used to be to as to where she is right now. >> she comments about things she used to do all the time. the democratic talking heads may not think this is a problem but do you know what they should do? they should go social media. this story blew up on ring of fire. the numbers were starting.let starleting startling. they want an answe

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larry o'brien. there are mentions of afl-cio official andrew b miller and wilbur cohen, the assistant secretary in the department of health, education and welfare. as the recording begins talking about wilbur mills. larry o'brien: mills told me by the end of this week, he would have something to discuss with you by way of a packet that might be of interest. i told him i read some articles that were a little disturbing and would indicate nothing is happening in the medicare end. he said well, you know better than to pay attention to those stories. i said i agree with you, i just wanted to be reassured. i said you know you cannot have everything you want. he said this bill, ultimately has got to have the mills stamp on it. i said, well, you know the president's view is whenever you want to talk to him, the door is wide open. he is anxious and happy to see you. he said you tell him, as i told him last week, aston as i am ready to sit down and present something to him that would make some sense and would represent the packets that i think would be of interest, i want to make an immediate appointment. wilb

larry o'brien. another call about medicare. you will hear references to health, education and welfare secretary anthony celebrates and wilbur cohen. as the call begins, talking about wilbur mills. larry o'brien: the wilbur mills situation has deteriorated at this moment. i had celebrezze and cohen over here earlier this afternoon. mills killed a couple hours in committee but there was no action. he talked to cohen and feels that he cannot put this thing together. he's suggesting why not vote out a security -- social security bill in the morning. he will have the final mark up with an interest in benefits p it he would not ask for a vote in kerr-mills, put that off to next year. he could vote medicare, which we lose, or he could skip that entirely. why don't we try to do something on the senate side with the social security to attach medicare to it? and at that point, something could happen in congress or what have you. i asked what they both felt, short of a conversation, again between you and mills that there was not anything that could happen tomorrow morning except to lose this thing totally. the best that would happen is they

he would say larry, nothing is moving, what are you doing? get cohen over and get something moving.here is nothing worse than a bill that sits and is not moving, it is like a dead cat on a porch in the summer. [laughter] move the bill. there came a time when sitting in the ways and means committee room, if you have been in the long war -- the longwirth building, it is still there. mills and the general counsel and two or three people sat down and what became law was done in about 15 minutes. mills got together and said , look, here's how we are going to do it. i am going to do hospitalization. that'll will take care of the seniors. mr. byrnes, the republican, you want to include the doctors? we are going to do supplemental medicare part b. over there, medically indigent let's do medicaid. wilber cohen and wilbur mills, give people in this country have ever heard of wilber cohen. one of the great architects of medicare. that bill was put together in about 15 minutes. a three layer cake. medicare, medicaid and the doctors hospitalization part b. then they called lbj and said , mr. pre

larry, nothing is moving. what are you doing? get cohen over and get something moving.ecause there is nothing worse than a bill that sits and is not moving, it is like a dead cat on a porch in the summer. move the bill. there came a time when sitting in the ways and means committee room, if you have been in the building, it is still there. in a back room. mills and wilbur and the general counsel and two or three people sat down and what became law was done in about 15 minutes. mills got together and said look, here's how we are going to do it. i am going to do hospitalization. that is going to take care of the seniors. mr. byrnes, the republican, you want to include the doctors? we are going to do supplemental medicare part b. over there, medically indigent let's do medicaid. wilber cohen and wilbur mills, and, by the way, they have named something afternoon. many people have not heard of wilbur: -- wilbur cohen. cohen was one of the great architects. that bill was put together in about 15 minutes. medicare, medicaid and the doctors hospitalization part b. and then they

celebrezze; under secretary wilbur cohen; the democratic whip of the house, hale boggs on the ways and means committee; and really the white house's best legislator, larry o'brien, gave not just endless days and months and, yes, years of patience--but they gave their hearts--to passing this bill. let us also remember those who sadly cannot share this time for triumph. for it is their triumph too. it is the victory of great members of congress that are not with us, like john dingell, sr., and robert wagner, late a member of the senate, and james murray of montana. and there is also john fitzgerald kennedy, who fought in the senate and took his case to the people, and never yielded in pursuit, but was not spared to see the final concourse of the forces that he had helped to loose. but it all started really with the man from independence. and so, as it is fitting that we should, we have come back here to his home to complete what he began. president harry truman, as any president must, made many decisions of great moment; although he always made them frankly and with a courage and a clarity that few men have ever shared. the immense and the intricate quest