mr. dumont, i asked mr. clement about intermediate scrutiny and the record in this case. how do you respond to his argument here that the declaration by the professor -- i think the county submitted the professor's affidavit. >> that's correct. >> he said it's not worth much. >> the affidavit has in it in the voice of an expert who is a long-standing and very experienced professor a variety of statements which do support points that i want to get to in a moment about the degree of danger that concealed or open carry, personal carry in public spaces impose. if the court feels that the -- i do think you have to understand that the record here was built at a time when the law was very different as to unloaded open carry. well that's the main difference. and i don't think it would be appropriate to resolve this case, at least on any broad basis, on the basis of that record. if the court feels that the record here is not sufficient to support the state's and county's positions, in the way that the case has developed i would suggest the right thing to do is to reverse the summa

mr. dumont you an accurate half the store but i wanted to the other half of the story which is under the new law you have open carry prohibited in the cities which is what they want to talk about but then he also told you it's prohibited in the prohibited areas of the unincorporated parts of the county. now, that means the keyword is prohibited areas come and that is defined in the penal code at 17303 of today's opening anywhere you can't discharge a firearm. the problem is that's almost everywhere. that's the streets, anywhere near a dwelling or an unoccupied dwelling or a car or an unoccupied car. so please don't decide this case on the presumption that you can carry openly in 85% of the county the unincorporated. because you can't carry openly into prohibited areas in the unincorporated areas advance almost anywhere you would ever get. if you are on the grid on the streets, near a dwelling near a car you cannot carry openly. and that's why this is a situation where we are not asking for a constitutional right to concealed carry. we are asking for a constitutional right to have some me