mr. gura referred to the language in heller about in the pocket or clothing. that language isn't defining the word carry, it's not defining the scope of the constitutional right that's in the second amendment. that's a physical description of what does it mean to carry. that means something more than just to possess. to bear, meaning that you're going somewhere. and we feel that the second amendment has always been treated as more extensive outside the home. i mean look at hunting. i mean that's a core second amendment right, isn't it? heller tells us that clonallyolonially you had to keep yourself alive by eating as much as by defending yourself. is there anything more restricted in the americans cities more than the right to hunt? >> probably smoking. >> there you go. sure it is allowed occasionally. there is some cities where there's a deer problem because there's no natural predators. you can get a special license to hunt in the city limits. generally i can't do that and say that's a big fat pigeon and shoot it. it's not allowed. that's not controversial.

that described the process that they went through but nothing about a particular riot need come as mr. gura said. i was at the argument. there are to wasn't that they have a special need. the argument was that i desire self-defense and i'm not otherwise disqualified by virtue of criminal record or lack of training et cetera. >> all right. thank you, counsel. >> thank you. >> mr. clement, we will give you three minutes. >> thank your honor. i have three minutes. i think i 3.5% think is the most important because if i heard the other side correctly they can see the second amendment applies outside the home and either conceited or claim perilously close to conceding that a ban on both open carry and conceal care would be unconstitutional. so then the question then becomes very important is the scope of open carry kinder california law. mr. dumont you an accurate half the store but i wanted to the other half of the story which is under the new law you have open carry prohibited in the cities which is what they want to talk about but then he also told you it's prohibited in the prohibited areas