my name is nancy rubin. i'm a retired department of public health employee. i ran the jill of services. i work in the county jail for 15 years. from 1975-1990. after that i was the county health and human services director marin county deputy director los angeles countdown very familiar with the policy questions that are in front of you today noted thank you very much for taking the time to really think through and listen to this am i these issues instead of making what would be considered somewhat of a hasty decision with such a large amount of general fund dollars will have to go to match any kind of state dollars that come forward. i heard the controller correctly today, at the high end of the recommendation is for one or 20-392 people, at diane. we been hearing testimony today from individuals that can give you -- including the sheriff's office, to the problems we wouldn't need a joke. if other programs were incremented by laura thomas, and/or the other just that. etc., i think we can dramatically reduce the numbers even in the jail today. just like takin