and counterpoint to the nick wosisco story, there is a woman portrayed by kathryn keener, mary doormondayney as well. it is soft almost a reverse echo. >> rose: take a look at this. this is the mayor talking to her. >> mayor's office. >> my name is mary doormanned, i will like to talk to the mayor. >> this is the mayor. >> hello? this is mayor wosisco. >> this is-- i didn't-- i didn't expect for you to answer. i called, i wanted to tell you that i-- i think it's wrong of you to support the housing. >> yeah, well, the law is the law. and the judge ordered it. and the court upheld it. and the law is the law. >> well, why can't you say that you think it's wrong. at least let the people know that. >> because that's not what a leader is supposed to do. a leader is supposed to lead. and that's what i am trying to do. >> rose: so what makes nick. >> well, i think often you are pushed into that place. and he believes that that is the orbiter of how you lead, the law. and we can appeal, but if you lose the appeal, that's it i think he feels that if there is a way to just communicate that, if peopl