he was not interested in -- he was interested in cell -- s oul.: thank you. ♪ charlie: bill my is here, the british tabloids have dubbed him the thinking man's person. let me asked -- ask about relations, the first is michael gumbel, what is your relationship with him? bill: he used to come up to me and say something so profane, i could not repeat it. it was encouraging. he would say something good, you would -- he would have seen me in a play and that would get me through the next 16 months. he is someone who i responded to. he was a model actor, contemporary. charlie: what does that mean? he was notans confined by the conventions of performing. he was radical in a way. apart from the fact that he is touched by genius. i know that is a cliche, but i feel it to be true. he thrilled me. "skylight," hew created this role, i soared sword fenced all of the way home. i was thrilled, i was proud i did the same job as this people. charlie: the next person is david hare, what is it about the two of you? bill: my relationship started when i was 30. when i