the strategy was to and segregation in law schools and graduate schools and worked on to college andhen down to elementary schools. roundly board of education, the name brown is the first name to appear out of the list of plaintiffs. in kansas, the local chapter of the naacp, lawyers and also local activists, recruited 13 parents, and one of them was oliver brown, and it were 12 other mothers, and all 13 of those parents had children that attended one of the four african-american elementary schools in topeka, one of them being monroe. oliver brown was a friend of one of the lawyers. the lawyers recruited people they knew in the community that they thought would be upstanding citizens that would want to participate in this case. oliver brown was just one of those 13 volunteers, and as historians have noted, it is often accidental whose name get situated. listenbrown's name is first, although another woman list is on the list who would have been first automatically, a woman named darlene brown, but elicitedown's name was first. the cases known as brown, but he was sadly one of those 13

segregation for inmates too trouble some.ates in both areas wear jump suits instead of green. they are housed in single man cells and are only allowed out for one hour per day during which they must be handcuffed and shackled. rule violations that landed him in segregation were as minor as they get. >> i got in trouble for giving a guy some envelopes. i meant to go in there but i went to give it to him and that's against the rules so they locked me up and gave me 20 days in seg. >> they can't pass anything of any sort not knowing whether it's gang activity, you present that but not letting them pass messages they could be using to take care of business on the outside. >> you're not allowed to give anybody anything technically. >> it's just crazy. it's like juvenile. >> you didn't do anything? >> no. i do got a mouth on me. >> shepherd admits he did argue with the officer who wrote him up. >> what did you say? >> all kinds of stuff. i don't even remember. i know i cussed him out and it wasn't good. >> shepherd was written up f

they said we don't have segregated schools but they very much had segregated schools. they did not get desegregated until 1969. one of the reasons they wanted so much to integrate the schools was the issue of language. those children that were growing up in alpine, texas, the mexican-american children of this time and earlier, they grew up in spanish-speaking households. at home they would speak spanish. then they would go to this segregated school and all of their friends also were all from spanish-speaking households. those kids were all talking to each other in spanish. there is english -- even though instructional was in english they were told you have to speak english -- they still were speaking spanish all the time. when they did speak in english a lot of them had a very heavy accent. the parents recognized that this would handicap their children, that not speaking the best english was going to hurt their children's chances later on. what would happen with these kids is the dropout rates were high, and the children felt that -- there was a sense that we are not a

in elementary schools in cities greater than only0 people, -- the law had segregation in elementarychools. nole they certainly were supporters of segregation and obviously saw the injustice of having to attend separate elementary schools, the african-american community also was very proud of their schools, because these were excellent facilities. the teachers who were teaching and the classrooms, like the one we are standing and right now, all had bachelor's degrees if not masters degrees. these were professional jobs for african-american women in the city of topeka, so that was going to be lost once these schools were integrated, so while some wanted integration, there was some resistance, thecially teachers and local chapter of the naacp who feared the loss of those jobs, and that was not unwarranted when the middle schools integrated a few years before. there were african-american teachers who lost their jobs, so the feeling, there was very much division between what was going to be gained, which was full access to neighborhood schools where these african-american children lived,

and that cancer was segregation. and that his job like a surgeon was to cut out the cancer and leave that cancer and what was left to be healthy. that is what drove him. thurgood as a young man had the "goody." he was a happy-go-lucky jokester. he was the class cap -- the class clown. he was a good student, but he was the class clown. he had memorized the constitution because he had been sent to the basement to write out the whole thing as punishment. he had memorized the whole thing. even though he grew up in a very happy middle-class family in one of the least dangerous places for a black man, which would be the upper south, which would be maryland. , though hecollege wasn't distributed -- he wasn't this driven crusader. segregation.e he was a very it. he didn't know what to do about it will some in college, one of his best friends was langston huge -- langston hughes. theston use i traveled world and have very strong feelings on segregation -- langston hughes had traveled the world and has very some phillies on se

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meaning by law and obviously defacto segregation meaning segregation in fact. with regard to dijori segregati segregation, this is more of an issue in the south. very important issue in the south. and the defacto segregation issue was more of an issue in the north and the west. with regard to the dijori segregation in the south, the president accepted desegregation of the schools as an fa the ti compli. the president sought an alternative route. devising a plan of deferring to the courts that sought to lessen the presumed electoral burden of implementing the law. in other words, he did not want ownership of civil rights enforcement. the onus should lie elsewhere. still in the end as a historian concludes, this approach made nixon the greatest school segregator in american history. and the president after his presidency, president nixon was quite proud of the fact that so much desegregation had occurred and had occurred quite peacefully. at the same time, president nixon was seek to take advantage e laekt ral advantage of the aftereffects of this enforcement. ho

segregation. though ad seg inmates have a few more privileges, most are considered too dangerous for general population. one of the jail's most infamous ad seg inmates is eric kelly. kelly has already spent more than 22 years in prison for convictions including armed robbery, aggravated assault, and making terroristic threats. he is currently charged with possession of cocape with intent to distribute, to which he has pled not guilty. >> i'm that guy your mama and daddy told you about. you need to stay out of trouble, don't go to jail. you go to jail you're going to meet that guy, like me. >> kelly has been outsided in ad seg for more than a year. but his stay in the jail began in general population. he was caught with a broken broom handle, which was considered a potential weapon, and was given 15 days in disciplinary lockdown. after his return to general population, he threw a food tray at an officer and then encouraged other inmates to follow suit. >> after that inmate kelly was placed on admin

io was a little less segregated, not less racist, but less segregated, so while i grew up in ohio and i understood that things were different in the south, i also grew up in a family that was very sophisticated about politics and what the situation was, so i knew kind of both sides of the coin and how i felt about it was that, of course, it was unjust and it needed to be changed and my father was very much involved n-american rights as a social worker and worked for the national urban league. so i was not unaware of any of this and what it meant to black americans. essentially life was what it was for the rest of african-americans and particularly in the south. it was a matter of jim crow segregation, that is we, if we went downtown to the movie, we had to sit in the balcony in the negro section. if we went to a place to eat, we may or may not and probably what t served and happened with woolworth's is that they enjoyed selling you their snacks, but you had to stand up at the end of the room and eat them. you couldn't sit down at the counter. and most other places you could not eat in

most of the housing in this country is segregated. did any african-americans move back into koinonia after they left? >> good question. i cannot tell you the figure but the times i have been there there are some black people living there. but the truth be told koinonia was never a model of religion to appear that much. but these were mostly white protestant ministers and their families and missionaries whose people came from protestant backgrounds. of black people who did live at the farm but they were living there because of employment to pursue a better life working with the people of koinonia but it was always a tough sell because there would book little to do good type for them. >> i want to ask about his relationship with his parents i think it was hard to read how they were willing tears sacrifice him to the american high-school system that he suffered ungirt and he held very deep religious views but did he resent his parents for what they seemed to require him to do for their religious beliefs? >> for what they were being asked

inigo what is the difference between segregation and hyper segregation? >> degree. would say certainly, when you singleing to place every person of color in a context where there are not interacting with the rest of society, if you were to go to look at the high-rise projects, which are still there in west yonkers, they are actually built in his incredible goalie in the middle of west yonkers with a high retaining wall so that -- there's a 20 foot retaining wall around it. you look at it and you realize the poor are being made -- amy: it is like a walled in community. >> it is like in a gulley and there's a 20 foot wall that surrounds it. it is so segregated from the rest of yonkers that the intent is absolutely clear, which is, let's make no mistake, this is where we took the money for the housing -- by the way, let's be honest, the reason the city started taking the federal money is these projects originally, the ones before that, the low rises in every city, they are for white people. they were for people struggling to hold families together at the end of the dep

ohio was a little less segregated, not less racist, but less segregated, so while i grew up in ohio and i understood that things were different in the south, i also grew up in a family that was very sophisticated about politics and what the situation was, so i knew kind of both sides of the coin and how i felt about it was that, of course, it was unjust and it needed to be changed and my father was very much involved in african-american rights as a social worker and worked for the national urban league. so i was not unaware of any of this and what it meant to black americans. essentially life was what it was for the rest of african-americans and particularly in the south. it was a matter of jim crow segregation, that is we, if we went downtown to the movie, we had to sit in the balcony in the negro section. if we went to a place to eat, we may or may not and probably not get served and what happened with woolworth's is that they enjoyed selling you their snacks, but you had to stand up at the end of the room and eat them. you couldn't sit down at the counter. and most other places you c

that's why they've been placed in administrative segregation. assaulted inmates, they've assaulted staff. >> there are more than 900 correctional officers at san quentin state prison, nearly 200 of whom are women. officer mannix is one of them. >> hi, miss mannix. >> hey. >> i'll see what i can do and let them know that you're still here. >> okay. >> okay? >> all right. >> all right. >> being a correctional officer, i'm at work and that's full time when i'm there. when i'm home, i'm a full time mom. >> here, john, you want to help out? >> it's been 12, 13 years. and she's had a couple of minor incidents, but for the most part, you know, it's a job. >> i thought only guys were prison guards for the longest time. then i heard -- my mom said, yep, i'm working at san quentin. i'm like, really? i thought that was only a guy thing. >> i got to go upstairs and change. >> okay. >> all right. >> i'm proud of her. that's basically it. >> she does good at whatever she does. >> yeah. >> i respect what she does because it takes a strong woman to do that. >>

wheat integrate and then kind of segregate. any african-americans move back into koinonia after they left? >> that is a good question, there have been some. i cannot tell you what the figure is but i know the times i have been down there you always see there are some black people living there. koinonia was never going to appeal to black plaques in sumter, georgia that much. as alien to their experience, these are white products, ministers and their families and young missionaries, questing and young people who all came from more liberal main line protestant background. the black people who did live at the farm tended to be people living there because of employment, it was a tough sell to get him interested. >> i saw their hands a minute ago. way in the back. you are under the light which is why i can't see you. i am sorry. >> i want to ask about grade's relationship with his parents. as a parent it is hard to read about how his parents were willing to sacrifice him to the america's high school system he was suffering under and

smart spends 23 hours a day in administrative segregation known as the bubble. jail officials say they are keeping smart on lockdown because of the high-profile nature of his case and his reputation as a trained fighter. >> he's a licensed fighter. he does have a record. so they feel for the safety of the facility, it's best if he's kept in the bubble here. >> the jail allowed our crew to give smart a handheld camera so he could record his thoughts and experiences in the bubble. >> they come in here and shake us down, make you put your hands through that slot there and they put handcuffs on you and make you stand up against that wall. each time make scratches from the handcuffs. when i first got in there, i didn't know what that was. i actually thought it was people trying to scratch and claw their way out of here. that's how terrible it is in here, to be in here like this 24/7. there's a bunch of little ants just kind of cruising around, you know. that's crazy. there they've got some food. that one has some food. if you were at home, i would immediately grab so

we segregated ourselves, and we still do.ow on the streets, when people see young men of color, there is this perception that they are guilty. you see it all the time. we are not going to make progress until we free ourselves. i think we need truth and reconciliation in america. we have never had that. charlie: this is exactly understanding by understanding reaching back to slavery and its implications. i bryan: the fact my friend was gunned down can not be treated -- mistaken for the fact he was mistaken for another black person that was a suspected criminal. they are black and certain presumptions were made about that. it doesn't matter at the end of the day who the actual agent is. it is a broad systemic thing. charlie: you believe this is the forward projection of history from slavery. bryan: very much so. unless there is a serious reckoning with this, we are going to keep going over and over again on the same thing. i don't mean to harp on this, race, thinkstion of it is one of those sort of distractions. i think we did

the catalyst was a supreme court ruling in segregated public schools. by the time clarence returned to america local paper had a front-page story about the sumpter county clergy wanted to disaggregate it the states the loves university system. the vandalism started a very weak. operating under cover of darkness they shot down -- chop down fruit trees they dumped sugar and gas tanks and did rings that relate escalated. on several occasions shot into the buildings. one i first visited koinonia their reporter followed in the 1980s. you could still see bullet holes in the sighting. the children at the farm were not immune to the violence. greg was in the third grade when the terror campaign started, one of 18 children in koinonia. i would like to read a short passage about one night and some of them were playing volleyball in 1957. greg and some of the children were playing volleyball on the lighted courts when they saw two cars creeping down the highway leading to the farm. the vehicles were so close it looked like like the person must win a second second.

that individual will go to segregation for a period of time.we know that two people are in a relationship, generally we don't do anything with that. if they are not openly having sex -- you can have a relationship that doesn't have sex involved. >> as far as the sex part is concerned, it is very, very frustrating and uncomfortable, especially if that's something you really want to do because you have to try to beat the police and inmates. what i mean by that, it's done quick and quietly. >> keith mason, who goes by the name "precious," is a divorced former pastor serving a life term for robbery and aggravated assault. marquis nobles is serving 15 years for robbery and kidnapping. for the past six years, the two men have enjoyed a relationship behind bars. >> he had a shy innocence when i first met him. so i think that was another part that really attracted me to him. by the same aspect, i really fell in love with him. >> every morning, precious gets coffee for marquis. he sews for him and keeps their area clean. in prison terms, marquis and pre

there were white people against lynching, against segregation.e should know their names and we should honor them. if you want to have a state holiday, have it after them. but to engage in this false narrative that demonizes those victims by not recognizing -- it absolutely does. it would be insulting to say that people in germany were still execute people in gas chambers. tolerable.t be tolerableuld not be here. i think it is a human rights crisis, a human rights oppression that crushed millions of lives. it devastated the aspirations of an entire race of people, and it did something destructive to our moral consciousness. we have tried to make peace with our enslavement of other human beings and it has left us not as evolved as it need to be. it made us in vulnerable to tolerating lynching and tolerating segregation. one in three black male babies is going to go to prison. that is unconscionable. charlie: barack obama, when he had assumed office, had gone in front of congress and said what you said at this table today. should he have done that a

i agree up going to segregated schoolsment we intergrated in 1969. when the changes were taking around the country they were also taking place in s -- >> how many schools were there? >> one black elementary school and one white elementary, one black high school and one white high school. >> what were the population sns. >> probably in each grade maybe 50 kids, maybe 150 people total. >> there was 50 yards to 100 yards to each yard. people got along. we just didn't go to church together or school together. >> living and getting along and then going to segregated schools, do -- you touch upon that in the book? >> i do. when i was in the third grade it was a huge event because leading up to that kids in second grade we didn't want to integrate. we thought that the white people would not be so nice to us, but i had my first white school teacher mrs. roots in st. john. he walked up to me and asked me my name and i said, hello, ma'am, my name is troy lewis. i'm glad you're in my class and then she walked away and i remember thinking, she's a nice leading.

. >>> administrative segregation is home to roughly 200 inmates. confined to their cells 23 hours a day. these men often become defiant and desperate. when an inmate acts up in general population, he's moved to ad-seg. but when he acts up in ad-seg, the officers' only option is to periodically move the inmate from cell to cell. >> jamie bell, we're going to move him out. be a little particular with him because he's already hostile, you know. let's just use caution with him, okay? >> put your hands behind you. cuff up. >> stick your hands out. >> shower stall right now. >> jamie bell is temporarily housed in the shower stall until his new cell is cleaned and inspected. >> all i'm asking is that somebody stop harassing me! >> our crew first met jammy bell a month earlier when he was outraged over unsanitary conditions in his cell. >> i can't breathe in here. my toilet is full up with feces. >> today, he's moving to a new cell after an inmate threw urine and feces through his ventilation. >> you're going to have the same problem, man. [ bleep ]. >> yo

s' known as admin segregation. it's like the jail within the jail. >> the disciplinary issues are >> so severe, to ensure the safety of detainees, you have to place them in administrative segregation. >> administrative segregation inmates are locked down 23 hours a day and are cuffed and shackled any time they are out of their cells. they are allowed only an hour a day for rec time or phone calls, which can be taken away if they fail their daily inspection. >> they can lose their hour if they don't follow the rules, don't make up their beds, if they're not ready for inspection, they lose their hour. >> one area of unit 2-c is even more isolated. >> behind me is what's called the bubble. that's for your highest of all profile cases. >> more regular ad seg inmates are allowed to interact with others during rec time. bubble inmates must spend the one hour out of their cell in the rec yard alone. one of the inmates housed in the bubble is norman smart. >> mr. smart was placed in there due to the fact that his case was

want to go to administrative segregation? >> not at this time. >> we'll note it on the lockup order. basically what happened was an inmate was assaulted in the gym, right? after we did a thorough search, pants located in your laundry bag contained suspected blood stains on the pants. so therefore, pending investigation, you're going to administrative segregation. because right now if we keep you in the gym, you jeopardize the integrity of the investigation. >> so i'm being written up for the fight? >> yeah. so that's what's going to happen. all righty? i'll get an officer to get you some clothes here in just a minute. >> with a white suspect and a southern hispanic victim, officers are wary of retaliation that could explode into a race riot. >> hey, step outside for me real quick. how many south siders? you've got two south siders over there? what's dude that came from level one? is that him? >> he's right here. actually, he's right here. out with these white boys right here. >> yeah. and then the dude to his right is a south

if an inmate violates rules in segregation, he winds up in disciplinary ad seg where even most readingl is considered contraband. >> that's evidence about the -- i'm telling you i got the files in my file. that's evidence, man. you know you violating the law. you ain't got no business [ bleep ] with my legal [ bleep ]. you know it's against the law to do what you're doing, bitch. see your [ bleep ] ass in court. >> i've been there. i'm still here. 25 years. >> we'll see if you gonna still be here. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. i don't care nothing about you, cracker. you ain't [ bleep ] me, bitch. >> every day we're going to take care of you. he's not happy. he had a copy of a quarterly newsletter that our department puts out. it's put out for the employees. it's not even put out for the inmates. i don't know where he got it from and it's not something he's allowed to have in his cell. he started claiming it was evidence in a legal trial that he was in and that's why he got mad. when somebody talks to you like that your first reaction is anger. you get mad and you want to lash back out against

constitutional, what you saw was an explosion of loss, and the south, specially, which prevented segregatedacilities in all sectors of public life, so the naacp was attempting to overturn that and they knew they could try to do that case, and they began to file cases to begin to chip away at that precedent, and the strategy was to

money to segregate. >> 10 years ago, i would have agreed.ve seen case as an answer to the problem, we have been at this game for a long time. longer than you. a lot of us are at the point where we do not have to live with us, and why should we want to live with them. maybe i have grown old in this fight. a be the fight has grown old to me. watching how this has played out over the last seven years, i am -- how much we are going through for a few hundred scattered units of housing. the director of the naacp is arguing against segregation. >> i am not arguing against anything. i am just tired. charlie: do you think you can change america through film? i don't know. it is not in my job description. storytelling. get the story right. do what you can with the story. try not to cheat the story. whatever happens after that is in the purview of other people. it is great to be a part of the argument. we get a lot of chances to -- to entertain people. there is nothing wrong with the entertaining, that is a big part of our industry. every now and again

what kind of harm does the this segregation impose? does it make if students are in separate spaces or not? >> it has enormous harm for these students. they are kept separate and away from their peers, siblings kids in the neighborhood from as you mentioned these very inferior types of buildings and from quality teachers and i had to go back to the peer piece again because we learned to be cool and to be in the community from other kids around our age. >> stick with us for a second. i want to come to you. we were talking upstairs with the producers this morning and i felt like saying didn't we decide segregation is bad? just sort of full stop that it is inherently unequal? >> i mean, certainly. there is a great number of cases on this issue that is something we don't want as a country, part of the promise to the our citizens or that we are equal and when you see this kind of treatment in so many areas of the law, it really causes some soul searching. we see it happening in the fight over voting rights what country are we going to be an

you can't be in the security housing unit or administrative segregation.reception center inmate. you can't be on noncontact status. you can't be a condemned inmate. you can't be life without parole. >> ron golden is serving a 22-year sentence for armed robbery and prison staff assaults. four years ago while at another prison, he married hope golden, a woman he'd known since he was a teenager. he's been at kern valley for just a few months. >> we were corresponding from '98 to 2001, and we became intimate with each other. she wanted to come see me. she knew me from the streets. it just blossomed into something beautiful. we fell in love with each other. >> good morning. >> do you have your i.d.? >> it's in there. >> this will be ron and hope's first family visit at kern valley and the first time they've seen each other in five months. >> the orange shirt can't go in because it's orange. >> okay. now i know, i won't do that. >> okay. and the rollers can't go in either. >> okay. >> i'll give you a bag to put all this stuff in. >> before we were married i was

citizens --uired railroads to segregate it ascends into cars marked colored and white. he said it is a violation of the ortiz amendment and called upon to passively protest this law. when new orleans did that, they contacted him and asked if he would help lead a constitutional case. cra, thead of the in national citizens rights association, he brought a case that went all the way to the a man who was an and refused to get out of the white car. filed a lawsuit against the railroad and the lawsuit was heard by the supreme court. the plessy v ferguson case, the judge and the original local -- it established the principle known as the separate but equal runcible. it actually came from the law itself. it required that they provide separate but equal compartments for each race. what does that mean? a little bit vague. yousupreme court said if think they are not keeping their end of the bargain, go ahead and do that. but we don't see anything on the face of this law that violates the 14th amendment which guarantees equal protection under the law. he made a series of innovative

the city intentionally segregated housing for 40 years.vernment is white. >> he wants to take low income housing and put it in east yonkers. >> i live here. i am nothing like what they describe. >> what are you going to do? >> it is that guy from yonkers again asking if he can get any help from the state of new york. >> what is the matter with these people? >> you wanted to live somewhere but everything has a cost. >> it is time you recognized your failure as a leader. >> you want to live where people are angry with you? >> you know, it is all property values, underneath it all it is fear. >> quite a year for you mr. mayor. >> justice is not about popularity. >> no, it is not. but politics is. charlie: he has done it again. i am pleased to have both david simon and oscar isaac back at this table. who is the mayor? david: it was nick wasicsko and it was a tumultuous six years. in his career. it is what drives the piece. if we do not get him right, if we do not get his arc correct, then we have an amorphous explanation of public housing poli

and what we did, we came up with administrative segregation unit and isolated the ones doing it. and after we did that, we pretty much stopped the assaults and everything else. we still have assaults over on these units up here in our disciplinary segregation unit but it's down about 85% in population. >> the men housed in ad seg are allowed one hour of recreation per day in an enclosed yard. the rest of the time they're confined to their cell. >> this is my la-z-boy, my chair, sitting in the cell for years and years and years. it will mess your back up. because of the steel beds. through the years people jump up and down on them so that makes them uneven and give you back problems for the rest of your life. >> convicted of murder and attempted murder as a teenager, jocco bailey was given a 40-year sentence. he has spent more than 11 years in ad seg. >> it's challenging being locked up. here in the a.s. unit because you have the opportunity to be still and decide what you want the rest of your life to look like. it's boring and it's cold and it's lonely. it's not a fun place to b

it's really scary. >> a fight sends two women to segregation.

. >> house one is also known as administrative segregation, where inmates are locked in their cells 23 hours a day. >> all the worst management problems in the entire state system, they end up here. this is the end of the road for them. >> i was originally charged with contract murder and drug trafficking and gun charges. i joke about it sometimes and say the only thing they didn't get me for was sex offenses. >> even though spring creek houses the worst and most disturbed offenders in the state, outbreaks of violence in the prison are surprisingly rare. >> we have assaults but they're not as many as like the lower 48. you know, we have the same mindset and same type of criminals. here they'll work up and talk to you and we'll deal with issues and problems and we help them out as much as we can. >> prescott. >> yeah. >> do you have any more questions about transferring out tomorrow? >> no. >> i'm way outnumbered but i have a radio and, you know, i have good people working with me. you know, everybody here looks out for everybody else. >> for officer ed massey who came to spring creek f

. >> a fight sends two women to segregation. >> when you hit me don't think i'm not going to touch you back.

i lived through segregation. i lived through integration. i had four brothers. all of us were in the military at the same time. they were in korea. i was in morocco. i had another brother [indiscernible] in for thestayed vietnam war. he came out a paraplegic. i just want to say one more thing. my great-grandfather was [indiscernible] my great-grandmother for less -- was from new york. her tribe was brought to north carolina during the indian wars. on the other side of my family, they were slaves. my great-grandmother and great-grandfather were slaves. but they survived it. in this country, you may not make top dollar, but you can always survive. host: thanks for adding your voice to the conversation. gerald horne, your response? guest: i appreciate the sentiment the caller has expressed, but i would like to remind the caller that what he was describing on the street corners of his town, those are effects. they are not necessarily causes. to solve the problem he is underscoring, we have to look at causes. i don't think you'll find the causes necessarily on the st

the attacker was identified and put in administrative segregation for questioning, but now the entire cell block is about to be searched for weapons. >> keep your eyes open. keep your ears open. do your normal cell searches, handle your business and be safe. >> a large team of correctional officers will search every square inch of their cells. first, all the inmates are removed. first for weapons, then taken out to the yard. >> step over here. >> all right. all right. >> these surprise raids are usually successful in finding weapons. but present a unique challenge for "lockup" crews. >> it is action. it's real action. and the only thing that you have to be careful of you don't want to piss off the cell block. you kind of run the risk of alienating the very guys you're trying to extract stories and cooperation from. we always hope, if there is going to be a raid, that it's toward the end of our tour at the prison. >> but tv crew concerns are the last thing on the minds of these officers. what they uncover can be the difference between life and death. >> it's an old joint. you can hide

but the country's schools have grown only more segregated since 1988. the most recent data shows the average white student goes to a school that is more than 70% white. and less than a quarter of black students go to majority white schools. jeffrey brown takes a look at whatever happened to integration. >> brown: one metropolitan area where schools are largely segregated is st. louis. and one year after the shooting death of michael brown in ferguson, it's an issue that continues to resonate there and beyond. "new york times magazine" writer nikole hannah-jones has reported on the situation in ferguson and elsewhere in the country. her work has appeared in pro- publica and on the radio program, "this american life." also joining us is sheryll cashin, a law professor at georgetown university who writes on desegration efforts. her latest book is titled, "place, not race." welcome to both of you. nikole hannah-jones, let me start with you. give us a quick overview of what you saw in ferguson and its schools. what struck you most forcefully there? >> well,

where ashe experienced firsthand the reality of segregated seating. he and his mother would sometimes board the bus on chamberlin avenue, the unofficial divide between black and white neighborhoods, and exit the shopping district to visit his grandma. in getting on the bus in richmond, just like most towns in the south, was an instant reminder of his place. he says, i can clearly recall the white line on the floor of the bus. it was just to the front of the rear door and i understood that i was required to stay behind it. i don't remember discussing. it was just understood. although despite his familiarity with the white line, he did challenge the racial hierarchy on at least one occasion. his aunt once recalled in a tape-recorded interview how he stood up for his mother one time on the bus in the late 1940's. after boarding the bus and realizing that there were no seats available in the front or the back of the bus, ashe in a characteristically polite arthur ashe fashion asked a white man to give up a seat for his mother. he could have been verbally,