. >> host: congressman russell you recount in "we got him" your conversation with paul wolfowitz.hat did you tell him? >> guest: well he came to look at some of the afghan training efforts. secretary rumsfeld have asked that we train the iraqi army. i have had great experience in that area was training the afghan national army and was on the initial mission of that in february 2002 very early on in the afghan war. so i was used to dealing with tribes, dealing with setting when it's hard to vet people and all of those things. i had an adaptation of a national plan put down in a microcosm for our area of operations and became very successful very quick way. we never had any infiltration with our iraqis that we hired because i did it through the tribal chieftains. we just said look you are complaining about not having jobs, we have got jobs and we'll train you. what ultimately ended up happening is they were clamoring to look for success stories for this iraqi training effort is a part of national policy and tag we were it. we were one of the early success stories so mr. wolfowitz ca

[laughter] deputy secretary of defense paul wolfowitz whose ideology is a wheelchair away from dr. strangelove's, is also casting an eye on damascus, as mentioned on a recent "meet the press." there's gotta be change in syria. i think a lot of countries, including syria will eventually get the message from this. [laughter] wolfowitz is the principal architect of america's new doctrine of preemptive warfare and was recently dubbed "bush's brainiest hawk" by time magazine, which was no slight to rumsfeld-- earlier in the year was named people magazine's most intriguing hawk. he was also honored with jane magazine's hot hawk alert for january. [laughter] that-- is he there? no? [applause] not a problem. i would have expected some nudity from that. as for syria, some have speculated the reason we've had such trouble finding saddam hussein's weapons of mass destruction is that he sent the weapons to syria. the cia has also said the syrians possess chemical and biological weapons although the cia later admitted it was just a half a box of ant powder and a tin of rancid ham. but in the wr

[indiscernible] paul wolfowitz is providing most the teame and i have in florida. young people that have experience either in congress or in the previous administration. the parlor game that is played where you have 25 people, 30 people, for the people helping with foreign policy and if they -- that are helping with foreign policy and if they have had to deal with to republican administrations who were the people that were presidents -- i mean, this is kind of a tough game for me to be playing, to be honest. i am my own person. we just gave a speech at the reagan library. i urge you to take a look to get a sense of my views on how this stuff should work. yes, sir? >> governor bush, like you, i consider myself a republican -- a public servant. i used to run the youth conference in iowa, but i feel like our young voices are not being heard at the federal level. we have youth councils at local levels, would you be open to the idea of creating a presidential youth council to inform members of congress and various department heads? jeb bush: that's a great idea. i haven

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. >> [indiscernible] jeb bush: paul wolfowitz is providing some advice.et most of my advise from a team that we have in miami, florida. young people that have experience either in congress or in the previous administration. the parlor game that is played where you have 25 people, 30 people helping with foreign and that they have any experience, they have had to deal with two republican administrations who were the people that were presidents -- i mean, this is kind of a tough game for me to be playing, to be honest. i am my own person. i just gave a speech at the reagan library. i urge you to take a look to get a sense of my views on how this stuff should work. yes, sir? a like you, i consider myself public servant. like our young voices are not being heard at the federal level. we have youth councils at local levels. as president would you be open , to the idea of creating a you've counsel to form your self and various department heads? jeb bush: that's a great idea. here is my e-mail address -- jeb@jeb.org. write it down and send me your thoughts. i jus

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paul wolfowitz complained complained that there was not enough help and too many casualties. dick cheney's doctrine that held that there's even the slightest chance that a threat will be realized that the u.s. would act as though the threat was a foregone conclusion. you can trace a direct lineage from him to kissinger and again, he didn't invent this, he's drawing on a body of the german irrationalism and so forth. so after 9/11, he was an early supporter of attacking not just afghanistan and iraq that smalley and yemen as well and he called upon george bush to launch what he called a revolution to sweep away antiquated notions of poverty. when dick cheney talked about why war with iraq was the only option, he directly quoted henry kissinger, saying that it was an imperative for preemptive action and once the occupation turned disastrous committee met regularly, citing his experience in vietnam for why the u.s. should not withdraw troops. and so it's really just a highly broad consensus that reaches out well beyond the republicans to capture ideologue and capture idealist al

[indiscernible] paul wolfowitz is providing most of my vice and i have the team in florida. young people that have experience either in congress or in the previous administration. the parlor game that is played where you have 25 people, 30 people, for the people helping with foreign policy and if they -- that are helping with foreign policy and if they have had to deal with to republican administrations who were the people that were presidents -- i mean, this is kind of a tough game for me to be playing, to be honest. i am my own person. we just gave a speech at the reagan library. i urge you to take a look to get a sense of my views on how this stuff should work. yes, sir? >> governor bush, like you, i consider myself a republican -- a public servant. i used to run the youth conference in iowa, but i feel like our young voices are not being heard at the federal level. we have youth councils at local levels, would you be open to the idea of creating a presidential youth council to inform members of congress and various department heads? jeb bush: that's a great idea. i haven

, which is, you don't want to be associated with the iraq war and all of the advisers, like paul wolfowitzbefore we go, dan, there's been a lot of speculation and rumors floating around about a potential joe biden presidential run and now we're hearing from a democratic party source here at cnn that there's concern in the white house about the vice president possibly running for president because maybe there's concern about a campaign and things that go with it. is that what you're hearing from your folks? >> no. what i'm hearing is that the vice president has more than earned the right to run if he decides he wants to do that. i think people have tremendous affection and loyalty from the president on down. they want what is best for him but he's got to make his personal decision and the white house would take the role as a white house does in a divided primary, which is they don't endorse. so obviously it puts people in the white house in a challenging position because a lot of people are close and friendly with secretary clinton and joe biden. this wouldn't be the first time in history t

it's pretty clear that people like paul wolfowitz were. he was the deputy secretary of defense.i think bush had to be persuaded over time. i also don't buy the view that it was because saddam hussein tried to kill his father. i think there's a lot of crazy stuff out there. but i do think bush was radicalized by 9/11 and there's a clear link to the invasion. >> what is the connection between 9/11 and the invasion of iraq? >> just that it radicalized bush. i'm not saying that al qaeda/saddam stuff is fiction. but i do believe that bush himself was radicalized by the events of 9/11 and opted to go big and go big was to send a shock wave through the part of the world -- the phrase was used at the time, pardon the expression "drain the swamp." the swamp being these semi states that were providing shelter for groups like al qaeda. again, not're but that somehow by sending the shock wave you might move the region of the world in a more positive direction. >> we have time for one more question. kayla? >> just to broaden the conversation back to the decision to invade iraq. former u.n. s

first of all, why do you put paul wolfowitz on your foreign policy advisory team when you know that's something you're going to flag up. and why not have come up with an answer that was smoother and keep repeating it. >> kathy, he doesn't do smooth. >> we need to go to break. we'll keep talking about this and much more on the other side of the break. ed o'keefe, thank you so much for being with us. still ahead, we'll remember the rights and legacy of civil rights leader, julian bond. reverend al sharpton joining the conversation much later for that. also, is president obama betting his foreign policy legacy on the ayatollahs in iran? bob woodward is here with his thoughts on the iran deal as we get closer and closer to the congressional vote on the agreement. >>> and up next, more problems for hillary clinton this morning as the number of classified e-mails found on her server surges. we'll take a look at her latest denial and her poor attempt to joke about the controversy that the fbi is now involved in. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. it's more than the cloud. it

. >> host: congressman russell you recount in "we got him" your conversation with paul wolfowitz. what did you tell him? >> guest: well he came to look at some of the afghan training efforts. secretary rumsfeld have asked that we train the iraqi army. i have had great experience in that area was training the afghan national army and was on the initial mission of that in february 2002 very early on in the afghan war. so i was used to dealing with tribes, dealing with setting when it's hard to vet people and all of those things. i had an adaptation of a national plan put down in a microcosm for our area of operations and became very successful very quick way. we never had any infiltration with our iraqis that we hired because i did it through the tribal chieftains. we just said look you are complaining about not having jobs, we have got jobs and we'll train you. what ultimately ended up happening is they were clamoring to look for success stories for this iraqi training effort is a part of national policy and tag we were it. we were one of the early success stories so mr. wolfowitz