and rem coolhouse did later on. renzo did a plan for uptown which was quite a good one but, in the end, we both agreed it wasn't the kind of space you needed for contemporary art. >> rose: leonard is a great friend of mine, the program and yours. he calls you up and says what? >> he called me -- i was on the site of the morgan library that day. >> rose: that you designed. yes. i was actually inside the big hall. he called me and said why you don't come for coffee? and, of course, he was lying. because i said, of course i come for the coffee. >> rose: tell me the truth. did you have any notion that what he really wanted to talk to you about was design ago new building -- >> no, i didn't foe at all because i -- no, i didn't know at all. i didn't know anything. also, i'm like children, i'm fooled. i stay in the sand in the beach and you play and somebody come up and i have to play. so i have to do that. so i we want up, and i came in the board room, and it was full of people. it was the design committee, the selection