we made such predictions, dr james dodds, max and others went on the air and communicated far and wide that we could expect religious liberty to be literally curtailed, if not extinguished by this kind of a ruling. everything we predicted came to pass. this is the first of some strong clashes between religious freedom and the federal government. >> some of the supporters have based their backing of her stance in the free exercise clause in the bill of rights. doesn't the free exercise clause have to do with a person's actions and activities, and wouldn't it be more directly applicable if, for instance, she chose to marry or not marry someone, isn't that free exercise? >> well, absolutely not. the whole purpose of the first amendment to the constitution was to give us a freedom to exercise our religion without any type of governmental interference. what everyone is forgetting is it was five unelected - as the supreme court chief justice roberts said in his scathing dissent. he called them five unelected lawyers. they wrote the law without any historical presence, and they literally rede