. >> well, the program was supported by david and susan hillman, and the hillman program is just thatit gives young people an opportunity to say you know what i think that i want to be a business owner in this region. i want to give back in that way. what we do is help them through the process. what are the programs that they should be majoring in? how do they understand how to take a business from point of con september to actual sags and what are all of the step that is have to occur in between. we get them internships with the small business owner so that they can be right there and see things happening on the ground. >> that i think is really what makes the difference is making that connection really getting in some place and getting your feet wet and getting your hands dirty and seeing what it's about and whether or not the idea is right for you. >> absolutely. >> you may think about it and say maybe not. that's what they're for. >> yeah, that's what they're for. >> is there one over another that's near and dear to your heart? >> well, i think that probably in the last five years