abu agela mas'ud. and i tried to explain how this bomb expert-- abu agela mas'ud-- was tied to the man whose innocence dr. swire has been fighting for over the years. so, megrahi is traveling with this person abu agela mas'ud before the bombing, and it's hard for me to imagine megrahi himself wasn't involved. >> mm-hmm. >> dornstein: this person is a known bomb expert traveling with megrahi the day of lockerbie. >> mmm. >> dornstein: if this story that i'm putting together here were true, it would challenge a lot of what you have come to believe. >> mmm. i don't know what to make of that. but, on the other hand, i'm not the sort of guy who wants to sit around and watch this sort of thing dismissed as not worth pursuing simply because it doesn't match what we think we know. buyou've got to take it to the next step, i'm afraid. great to see you. >> dornstein: thank you. terrific. over the course of the year after this meeting, dr. swire continued to fight against the original verdict in the lockerbie cas

. >> abu agela mas'ud?> dornstein: yeah. >> mas'ud's name came from the cia, and i think the information that we got, that he was a technical guy. maybe he's the guy that hooked up the bomb. but he's one of those guys that we could never identify. when the scots went to libya in 1999, they asked about mas'ud and they said, 'we don't know who he is. can't identify him. no idea who this guy is." >> dornstein: the name of abu agela mas'ud first surfaced during the investigation. it came from a low-level libyan intelligence agent who secretly provided information to the cia. in the days and weeks before lockerbie, the witness observed abdel basset al megrahi traveling to the island of malta, where the lockerbie bomba was said to have originated. and traveling with him was the mystery man, abu agela mas'ud. the cia suspected megrahi and abu agela of being on some type of technical intelligenc operation very close to the time of lockerbie, but that's all they seemed to know. >> we had no information that megrahi

at first, she couldn't find abu agela's name on the list, but then... >> wait, wait, wait. i have a name. it's just written slightly differently. >> dornstein: what does it look like to you? >> i think it's defendant number 28 in this case. so his first name is abu a'ujilah. that would be his first name. and, to my understanding, the biggest case against him seems to be bomb making in relation to the 2011 conflict. charges of setting up bombs in vehicles. >> dornstein: wow. well, that sounds like him. >> yeah. i would say that's for sure the same person. >> dornstein: the main trial of these guys, there's 36, 37 of them, and they're there for what is more or less a show trial. >> right. >> dornstein: that's abdullah senussi. but if you look behind abdullah senussi... >> there's a dark-skinned man. >> dornstein: there's a dark-skinned man. you pull all the images, and you keep finding a dark-skinned man. >> right. >> dornstein: but i still would like to know more. so, i said, "there's 36 men on trial. is there a charge sheet here?" >> yeah, what are they charged with? >> dor