loretta wagner was the head of missouri citizens for life. he just died recently. wonderful, dear person, person, very devout roman catholic. they got to know each other and they struck up a friendship despite this major difference and they worked on doing this together. for example, the abortion clinic placed on its premises, and adoption service to give an alternative to young women that it doesn't have to be abortion. it can be adoption. that is really substantial and i'm sure it permitted a number of abortions by doing it. i came from the depths of loretta wagner's faith in the goodness of her heart and the ability of two very different people to try to figure out if there is something we can agree on, and there was. >> yes, that's a compelling story. what would you tell the many, many believers, the people of faith who feel very strongly about the abortion issue and human life and they can't separate the political realm? >> i would say i honor that and i agree with that. i am pro-life, but where can you do the most good? where can you do the most good in furth

but, the story of loretta wagner and bj jones in st. louis is very telling of how people can try to reach common ground on a very difficult issue, and how somebody who is pro-life can accomplish something beyond the political fear. isakson jones was the head of the largest abortion clinic and my state. loretto wagner was the head of the missouri citizens for life. just died recently, wonderful person, dear, dear person, very devout roman catholic. they got to know each other, they struck up a friendship despite this major difference. they worked on things together, for example, the abortion clinic placed on its premises and adoption service to give an alternative to young women that it does not have to be abortion, it can be adoption. that. that is really substantial. i'm sure it permitted a number of on abortions by doing it. they came by loretto wagner's faith in the goodness of her heart and the ability of two very different people to try to figure out if there is something we can agree on, and there was. host: that is a compelling s

the religious people are more likely to win their point and you talked about law read though wagner -- loretta that was interesting common ground. >> i of the pro-life republican but i think politically this issue is over and the supreme court decided roe v wade 42 years ago and it will not overrule itself. abortion as a legal matter will be looked at for a very long time. so to fight that battle as a political issue is not fruitful but the story of wagner have people can try to read reach in howl if you can pro-life can accomplish something beyond the political sphere isaacson jones was the head of the largest abortion clinic in my state. a wonderful person and a devout catholic and day got to know each other they had a friendship for example, the abortion clinic on its promises to with the adoption service for the alternative to women that is substantial and insure there have been and never of abortions stopped by doing that. but in the goodness of her heart there is something we could agree on 54ff is a compelling story. many people of a faith feel very strongly about the abortion issue and