mr. krepinevich: you said it right, senator. senator ernst: thank you, i apologize. mr. krepinevich: that's all right. it goes back, tell me how you're going to fight. the krepinevich strategy over the next 20 years, the big growth in ground forces is rocket artillery, coastal defense, and striking. that's going to be essential to having effective defense of the first island chain. so i think in terms of an operational reserve or a second wave force or reinforcing force, national guard to perform a function there, in the persian gulf, if we were, i think the forward of course has many capabilities that would support it. but also if we have to have an expeditionary force there, you have to mobilize a certain amount of force. again i think support major growth area for there would be rocket artillery in its various forms. in eastern europe if you buy my idea that trip wire forces, we're going to need because of limits on finances and manpower and so on. if we were to develop our own anti-access area in yeern europe, we would be relying on those kinds of systems as well.

mr. krepinevich: you said it right, senator. senator ernst: thank you, i apologize. mr. krepinevich: that's all right. it goes back, tell me how you're going to fight. the krepinevich strategy over the next 20 years, the big growth in ground forces is rocket artillery, coastal defense, and striking. that's going to be essential to having effective defense of the first island chain. so i think in terms of an operational reserve or a second wave force or reinforcing force, national guard to perform a function there, in the persian gulf, if we were, i think the forward of course has many capabilities that would support it. but also if we have to have an expeditionary force there, you have to mobilize a certain amount of force. again i think support major growth area for there would be rocket artillery in its various forms. in eastern europe if you buy my idea that trip wire forces, we're going to need because of limits on finances and manpower and so on. if we were to develop our own anti-access area in yeern europe, we would be relying on those kinds of systems as well. to

mr. krepinevich: i think secretary gates had it almost right. he talked about performance characteristics. he said we want everything that's possible and a lot of things that aren't possible in a new system. he talked about costs and he said we treat costs as though cost is no object. and he talked about time and said time, again, everything is subordinate to performance. we sacrifice cost in terms of no limits on cost. we sacrifice time in terms of we seem to be willing to wait forever. time is also linked to relevance because it's a lot easier to know what kind of security challenges you're going to face in two or three years than in 20 or 30. so his point was i'd rather have an 80% solution that you can give me within a reasonable cost and get on the ramp or wherever in a reasonable amount of time that's relevant to the threat and that's why he canceled systems like future combat systems and so on. senator king: i agree with that the message is as you've said, let's design and build systems so they can be upgrade over time but get the system