p.j. crowley, what do you think? a good thing for this program to train the rebels in n sir syria is ending? >> it was a fawmplet it was a good idea but so heavily structured to try to avoid -- so you would have assistance going just to the good guys with the white hats and avoid assistance bleeding over to the guys with the murkier hats. it was so heavily structured, it had very modest results. i don't think we're surprised that this is not a program that is by itself going to tip the scales on the battlefield. >> woodruff: david kramer, how do you see it? >> i agree it was a failure and should have been changed a long time ago. my problem is the timing of the announcement. it makes us look weaker because of the russian military intervention than we perhaps are. the program wasn't designed to deal with the assad regime and the assad regime is the real problem. >> woodruff: the kurdish fighters, is that a good substitute? >> this should have been done years ago. this has produced so few results means it is a failure

p.j. crowley, former secretary of state, and now he's teaching diplomacy at george washington university. >>> a fire has it destroyed part of a refugee camp in slovenia. the swept through the tents on the border with croatia. elsewhere, there have been scuffles as refugees grow impatient to continue their journey, and the parliament has continued it's use along the border. >> the flames spread quickly with tents pitched so disclose to one another, the blaze jumped easily from one to the next. firefighters were on the scene, but the damage was already done. much-needed emergency accommodation is now in ruins. the cause of the blaze is not yet known. further back along the refugee route, in serbia, the refugees in the open have been lighting small bonfires to stay warm. clearfies and soaking rain. >> we're very worried for the capacity, the people are slowing and it would be problematic. but a long waiting time. and the weather conditions. if the weather is still good, we can still try to do our best to provide blankets and food and water, but the cold weather is getting worse and worse, an

p.j. crowley and general mark kennet who is the secretary of foreign affairs for the bush administration. begin with you, because you were part of the hillary clinton's state department and not during benghazi and i want to be precise on that, but she was repeatedly asked why she did not respond to increased calls for security from benghazi from the consulate there, and after 11 hours today, and do we have an answer to that very question? >> well, you know, mark and i are both military officers who had the pleasure of serving at the state department for various times, but underneath all of the zany back and forth that we saw over all of the hours, there was a very serious question which is, you know, foreign diplomats in a situation in libya where we don't have 100,000 troops there to provide a cordon of security there to do your diplomacy and a very serious question of what is the balance between security and engagement, and for someone like chris stevens understanding libya where tripoli will give you one vantage of the country, and benghazi always a rival p power center to tripoli to f