in victoria britain, -- in victorian britain-- our business is very much a business that addresses these basic issues of society. sustainable development agenda. ceos to set anas example and make sure we are not driven by the shareholders but by the needs of the consumers. we cater to them very well. the business will also perform. francine: you're disappointed that not more ceos think like you? frustrated byam -- i'mitudes of others not frustrated by the issues of others. you just keep moving forward to these barriers. sometimes you think, why are not more people doing this, but who am i to object? model wheresiness we can do well but also for our shareholders and the other stakeholders. the more we do that, the more we see people enroll. the role of the ceo has changed. of these reasons is the short tenure of ceos, which is 4.5 years now for the fortune 500 companies. companies are more complex, faster moving. the need to work in partnership is not something that comes that easy to everybody. d to navigate governments, civil society. thee are lots of pressures point you toward the shor

in victorian britain, one out of two babies did not make it past the age of one because of issues ofygiene. they're the same issues as africa or sub sahara africa. i think that it is our duty as leaders in this world to set an example and be sure that we are driven just by shareholders, but that we are driven by the needs of consumers, and if we cater to them very well, business will perform. you must be disappointed that not more ceos think like you. paul: you cannot sit here and get frustrated by the attitudes of others or the speed with which things move. you should just continue to focus on bringing the right people together and moving these barriers. sometimes you think, why can we move faster? whom i to judge? why can't we move faster? who am i to judge? the best thing to show is that we can have a business model where we do well, but also do good for the shareholders. the more we do that, the more we see other people work. one of the reasons that you see short tenures for ceos is really because a lot of the ceos are not equipped for the challenges of today's world. francine: w

enterprise, of sobriety, of self-reliance, of determination, and she felt britain had been an exemplar of these virtues and the victorian age, but they have been lost under the kind of suffocating effects of socialism, and it was her duty to revive them again. that was a friend of mrs. thatcher. i think it is the correct one. i think when you look -- you have to look at all of the policies and you can see there the application of those ideas -- the real idea is let's revive britain. nile: would you say, john, that thatcherism is still alive and well across britain? among the pretenders to the leadership in the conservative party, david cameron is expected to step down in 2019 are 2020, there are a number of thatcherite contenders to replace mr. cameron. mr. o'sullivan: it is a complicated state, i would have to say. the conservative government has just won an election, but it was an election on a relatively small share of the vote, so it is not white is bold and confident in its approach -- it is not quite as bold and confident in its approach as it seems to be. we are living in a different world with her for problems t

virtues of , of sobriety, of self-reliance, of determination, and she felt britain had been an exemplar of these virtues and the victoriange, but they have been lost under the kind of suffocating effects of socialism, and it was her duty to revive them again. a friend of mrs. thatcher. i think it is the correct one. i think when you look -- you have to look at all of the you can see there the application of those ideas -- the real idea is let's revive britain. would you say, john, that thatcherism is still alive and well across britain? the pretenders to the leadership in the conservative party, david cameron is expected to step down in 2019 are 2020, there are a number of thatcherite contenders to replace mr. cameron. mr. o'sullivan: it is a complicated state, i would have to say. the conservative government has just won an election, but it was an election on a relatively small share of the vote, so it is not white is bold and confident in its approach -- it is not quite as bold and confident in its approach as it seems to be. we are living in a different world with her for problems to the one that mrs. thatcher faced i