. >> alan rawls, i've enjoyed the healthy debate on whether there's statutory authority for enforcinginst privacy for personal information that's not proprietary information and whether there was fair notice before the terracom decision was handed down. but my question is about penalties. i think in the terracom case, they started out saying this could be a $10 billion penalty, but in the exercise of grace, it was remitted down to i think $10 million, and it may have ended up lower, but isn't there a fairness issue with regard to the range of discretion that the agency has to establish notice of apparent liability amounts? >> so i'm not going to counter what you said. i will affirm that, you know, every case is different. when you talk about your social security number, which you can't get another one, as far as i know, legally. you know, to me, that's serious. i don't know what that troubles to. but you could talk about other instances where in terms of some of the lifeline potential, you know, decisions that those are very troubled if you talk to some of the providers based upon wha

. >> alan rawls, i've enjoyed the healthy debate on whether there's statutory authority for enforcinggainst privacy for personal information that's not proprietary information and whether there was fair notice before the terracom decision was handed down. but my question is about penalties. i think in the terracom case, they started out saying this could be a $10 billion penalty, but in the exercise of grace, it was remitted down to i think $10 million, and it may have ended up lower, but isn't there a fairness issue with regard to the range of discretion that the agency has to establish notice of apparent liability amounts? >> so i'm not going to counter what you said. i will affirm that, you know, every case is different. when you talk about your social security number, which you can't get another one, as far as i know, legally. you know, to me, that's serious. i don't know what that troubles to. but you could talk about other instances where in terms of some of the lifeline potential, you know, decisions that those are very troubled if you talk to some of the providers based upon w