and our executive producer, david borman was like, it's not working. it's just not right., aaron, take off the jacket. aaron, roll up your sleeves. >> they were always twisting form. that's what's beautiful at "world news now." if you think about the eic of inteet broadcasting, that you do roll up your sleeves, you are much more comfortable in your skin and much more of a person, less than an authority anchor, i think that's the stuff that was pioneered here. >> did you think the show would last that long? >> nothing lasts that long. >> i know. hard to believe. >> it does a great service for people who are newsmakers. when aaron and i started the program, it was the primary season of the '92 election. there was this unknown guy from hope, and he was happy to come in and be on tv for 15 minutes straight without anybody breaking in for commercial. >> really? you had him here? >> of course. >> one of the things i'm probably most proud of is when we were here, we actually pushed this broadcast out over the internet. so, "world news now" is actually the very first television ne

to figure out where we will go next with this, let's bring in david borman. great to see you this morning. >> how are you? >> what is nbc going to do to get its debate back on track? >> they've got to keep pushing forward. once you get all the hot air from all sides out of the way, dylan's point is really important. this is telemundo debate. you mentioned journalism versus forum. debates are to inform republican primary voters and the other party democratic primary voters and people who will go to those caucuses. these debates are critical for the candidates to begin to punch through and become known and even governor gilmore, although excluded from the debate, didn't seem to mind the questions and fox's debate were full of very tough questions. >> absolutely. >> in the candidates think they will get a free ride in the fox business news debate i think they are sorely mistaken. fox understands that they need to poke at these candidates to see how they think, to see how they react and you can't do that in talking points and position papers which is the result o