point is if you turn to the bible strictly speaking literally, by today's standards a special deal desman is pretty immoral that the death penalty among dash penalty for disagreed the children or non virginal lives were working on the sabbath that was written at another time for another people with the abomination of the same-sex relationships is in the same category. it is archaic. we can do better in the already have purchased most of the founding fathers were not religious but the point of the constitution and the bill of rights is it doesn't matter there still the law of the land we have to obey them. these and other rights that everybody gets regardless of your religion we don't care this is a lot. >> host: has the u.s. then a proponent or advocate of a moral society? >> we do have setbacks that people call attention to like slavery but we abolish. . . but if you and i swapped money for goods or services i don't care what race you are or what religion you are, it does not matter. you have treated me properly by contract. i have treated you properly by exchange, and that is one of the