in a group like i.s.i.s., not everyone is a psycho- path. in fact, current research does suggest that many if not most of the members of an extreme radical group can actually have normal psychology, but then you have leaders who would be assessed as psycho- paths who are cold blooded, calous, without remorse and don't have a conscience. those are the people that need to be assessed in order to put resources to that person who is more than likely going to be a leader even of a small group like you saw yesterday >>> it is important for law enforcement to piece together exactly the type of crime it was in order to figure out the specific person that did it and the specific type of people that were behind it. >> it is, but most of the violence that we've seen with i.s.i.s. is this cold blooded without remorse predatory sadistic violence and we do have ways to assess individuals as to whether or not they are psycho- pathic individuals, and if you have so many people coming back into a country, too many people to be equally followed or assessed or

areas, you know, providing services which is a mixed bag, obviously, when you live under a group like i.s.i.s. the third is in the cyber and digital domain, and to me it's a core power base. they wouldn't be able to recruit nearly as much, they wouldn't be able to get as much funding, be as effective and influential - who knows, maybe they wouldn't be able to direct operations in far flung places. so i think if we are only treating them as a physical problem. we are missing a huge amount of the problem and will not resolve it, or be effective. >> we are starting to see it as an ideological problem or a battle of civilizations, but an idea logical apocalyptical cult. we need to do battle. it boggles the mind that western counties and the united states couldn't have better capabilities than i.s.i.l. has. is it a question of capability or focus and concentration on a counter message? >> i think that western governments, as you put it, and some of our middle eastern colleagues, that had the same interest in the fight. i think they are, in many ways, stuck in 20th century professies, prosecution b

the group has been able to actually take power of a large city for 12 hours this summer. they have likely received aid and support from i.s.i.s. group in syria. >> there are including americans but fairly small in number. egypt is limited by the camp david accords to only have the personnel for security but more troops to fight terrorism. all that said, is enough being done? >> not really, and i think problem here is egypt's version of counterterrorism options seem to make the problem worse. they are rather heavy handed which allows the groups to recruit and expand displp the question is whether the sinai province group had the ability to shoot down a plane at cruising altitude. the general consensus is that it doesn't have anything comparable to what was used in ukraine to shoot down the malaysia air flight. >> some ground to air capability but really this would be much out of the previous capability we've seen from the group. it is obviously too early for any kind of conclusive result but the evidence does point to mechanical failure. >> it does have some surface to air capability. apparently it shot down an egyptian helico

i.s.i.s. they will be met with a domestic resistance. in iraq, we talk about it like it's the iraqi government versus i.s.i.s. there are other insurgency groupshat times partner with i.s.i.s., consider themselves fellow travelers of i.s.i.s. and allow i.s.i.s. to come in and take terrain in syria. they're not great soldiers. the way they take terrain in syria is they have so much money, they send sleeper cells into territories controlled by the free syrian army or some other islamist faction and bribe their way in and appoint men to run the militias. the rank and file are manipulated and controlled by i.s.i.s. >> rose: matt, if you were advising the president, what would you tell them to do in response to what happened in paris? >> you know, going to that side of it, the counterterrorism side and the actual ability now, demonstrated ability of i.s.i.s. to carry out a relatively complex, coordinated attack. the concern here in the united states, and it's always going to be the overriding concern for the president and certainly for this president was, okay, what are we doing to protect the united states from an attack like this? well, there is

i.s.i.s. cyber-caliphate clt, it is an affiliated support group has done against u.s. service people. it wasn't terribly hard to do, it didn't involve any breach of any fire wall or anything like that, u.s. service people involved in air strikes, regular people like everybody else, they use telephones, they sometimes appear on lists of people that may show up at a certain place or have social media accounts. i.s.i.l. has been able to find that and publish a list of names, a new sort of socially warfare. an interesting way that we interact with i.s.i.s. in the u.s. military where we also are beginning to understand how to targets individuals which name, a deep understanding of who they are sometimes before a strike happens. because in the 21st century we create all of this daily for all there time and it is incredibl y important. >> redemption seekers, revenge seekers, they are put in the bin for either one of you, is that a fruitful area of enterprise for government officials trying to track them down? >> go ahead. >> one of the things on social media, twitter is pretty good, forcing into 140 character format and a limited number of interactions. you are able to go in and kind

i.s.i.s. provinces, in a variety of places globally and it is there is also the network of cells and underground groups as we've seen in europe. so it is not just a state like adversary but also not a terrorist group. it is a hybrid adversary. >> has the u.s. gradualist approach, limited air power a bit of a mistake? allowing i.s.i.l. to become more entrenched and to support those other things its satellite operations and its terrorism operations outside the region? >> yes, i think it has been a mistake to treat islamic state as primary a terrorist organization and be so limited in the way that we've carried out strikes. and just for comparison, i marine the number of strikes carried out per day on average over the last day or so in syria and iraq is between ten and 14 a day. in the kosovo intervention in 1999, the rate was about 250 a day. >> on the other hand you've been outspoken on how you think the iraq war was a terrible mistake. so if there were kind of all out war against i.s.i.l, how would that be a good idea? >> i don't think this is in any way likely to be like it was in iraq. you're right i've said the war in iraq was a terrible strategic error.

i.s.i.s. has clapped responsibility for the coordinated attack by three groups at six location. at least one american was killed, a student from cal state. popular attractions like the eiffel tower and disneyland paris are closed as france observes three days of mourning. jonathanbiggliati has the latest from paris. >> thousands of police and paris as the fear of another attack remains all too real here. growing vigils line the streets. >> we didn't want to -- we want to go on the street and leave again and just not to feel the fear. >> reporter: french officials say three teams of terrorists arm with assault rifles and a soccer game and concert hall. >> it's crazy. >> reporter: nohemi gonzalez was killed while having dinner with friend. she was studying abroad for a semester. >> she brought joy happiness, laughter to everybody she worked with. >> reporter: as a precaution, many top tourist attracts have been closed, including the eiffel tower and the louvre. hollande blamed i.s.i.s. one of the attackers was important in france and had a petty criminal record. they're vowing to take no mercy when accomplices are tracked down. cbs news, paris. >>> happening today