. >> lynn stanton. i want to follow up on your apparent agreement about means testing. >> i'm sorry? >> i wanted to follow up on means testing for high cost subsidies, and i was wondering if either of you had any concrete vision of how that would work in reality, because other than turning it into a voucher program for individuals, i'm not being able to picture anything. i was wondering what your thoughts were. >> i would start and say this. i'm, right now i am focussed on trying to solve the issue that we are both tackling on rate of return, stand alone broadband. i've done quite a bit of work in my past life. i would set a cap to have annual certification that you're not making $10 million. we can peckick a number and anything out. it's never going to get to the point where you get down to the exact number of who should get a subsidy in a high-cost program, but we can certainly exclude a number of people who definitely do not need it. that's my take. >> and one of the things that's troubling to me, so