. >> it's not necessarily even needs to be a formal, official fwa.you need that, we have that, as well, but you can flex. as long as you really deliver and get your job done, you can ask for flexibility. you'd be surprised. and you're right about technology, right? when i had young children, i did a lot of my work at night, after they went to bed, because i could. so i think it's about what the impact is you want to make, not about the hours you keep, 9:00 to 5:00. >> exactly. i spent the last five years on a flexible work arrangement and, you know, was named the advisory leader. so you can still do it and be rewarded for the output, not the input. >> finally, we have just a second left, julie. what do you say to the woman who says, "i don't care how i switch this around. between kids and work, i'm never gonna sleep. seven hours -- good luck with that"? what do you say to that person? >> get better delegating. there's always someone else. you're probably doing administrative tasks that someone else could help you with. you might be doing things at ho