the willie horton ads, for example, that the bush campaign employed.ukakis and senator bentsen, who had an earlier role in the story, were the challengers. some history books suggest that barbara bush was very much involved and supportive, as was son george w. bush in its strategy to employ the willie horton campaign to be tough. do you know that empirically? myra: i've heard it perhaps apocryphally. there are certainly sources that say that both she and george w. bush had gone to george h.w. bush and said, if you don't toughen up, you're not going to win this race, so go ahead with the willie horton ad. susan: and ultimately, successful. they reached the white house. and it's interesting to note -- we were talking about this before we started -- we're doing this program live on the 20th of january, 2014, and it is today exactly the 25th anniversary of the bushes coming into the white house. the bush years -- and we have, as we do in each of these programs, a still of the important things that happened during those four years in the white house just to

the willie horton case from decades ago transformed sentencing. so, in fact, we were regressing in a number of areas. you will say to version may not have worked in this case, will look again at the version. of course, imprisonment never worked. and the response to imprisonment was always, well, you killed, so we must increase the sentencing. with an even worse efficacy than we would have with these types of programs. the public has to know that there are bound to be mistakes. there are mistakes in either end. and the issue is sort of risk assessment. the issue is risk assessment and what is more efficacious and stopping,. >> and to pick up on nancy's point, it is the great irony of being a progressive person in these roles. you are looked at as if you are crazy, the things that you are suggesting are nuts and super risky. the reality is we know what happens in your send people to public jail. you can't just close down shop and stop trying because the alternative is sending them back to a place we know is bad for public safety. you have to take th

willie horton being this african-american convicted murderer who was out on furlough and reoffended and became a huge political issue. we listen to what ken, said. >> i appreciate ken's comment of the republicans coming to the table and wanting to get something done. it's important to recognize thousands of people across this country who under the slogan "black lives matter" are continuing to push politicians, the president says his successor has to even do more. young folks are holding accountable these politicians running for office because we know the war on drugs has failed. all of us can agree that war on drugs failed. we are seeing a new epidemic, heroin use, prescription drugs. mostly affecting white people. we are seeing a different approach to that. as the war on drugs decimated black and brown communities across this country 40 plus years, it's time toned it. the president is taking steps to do that. politics have to do more. the person who is the next president has to take more steps. >> thank you, all. i want to mention again because we are are excited about it, lester holt

the willie horton case from decades ago transformed sentencing. so, in fact, we were regressing in a number of areas. you will say to version may not have worked in this case, will look again at the version. of course, imprisonment never worked. and the response to imprisonment was always, well, you killed, so we must increase the sentencing. with an even worse efficacy than we would have with these types of programs. the public has to know that there are bound to be mistakes. there are mistakes in either end. and the issue is sort of risk assessment. the issue is risk assessment and what is more efficacious and stopping,. >> and to pick up on nancy's point, it is the great irony of being a progressive person in these roles. you are looked at as if you are crazy, the things that you are suggesting are nuts and super risky. the reality is we know what happens in your send people to public jail. you can't just close down shop and stop trying because the alternative is sending them back to a place we know is bad for public safety. you have to take th

bush that he wasn't selling ideology and he brought willie horton and they promised themselves that they were going to find a candidate that would fight like the dickens and they found up one but they also said how do we look under the hood and make sure that we can update it for the 1990s. >> while also keeping the core ideas. >> so what does this tell us about hillary should she become president would she do the same thing? she's moving as fast as she can. does she have the same ideology that clinton had? >> it's really hard to know where hillary stands and which is running. is it that hillary who in the clinton white house was considered to be one of the liberals but despite their reputations, she was one of the people who turned to bill clinton after 1994 disaster where they lost the congress to the republicans and said we've got to bring in and go back to the center. she was one of the people who understood that were still operating and as the senator she was a much more mainstream standard democrat. and i think in 2008 when she was running for president, and now again, she's gotten

it's a willie horton thing. >> but we had a lot of democrats including some in the bay area that wentfor it. >> they have their opinion. my opinion was as i stated, if republicans cared as much about american safety when americans with mental health problems get assault weapons you're more at risk from that as americans than one of these refugees coming in and hurting you. there's only 2,000 in the country, only 10,000 prospectively. most are women and children or elderly men. >> thank you for joining us. we're going to keep an eye on that and the bay bridge. in the meantime we're also going to look at the weather. >>> sounds good. here is our san jose cam this morning. where we have a nice clear start. a little chilly out there. but here you can see nice high clouds for your sunday morning. upper 40s, low 50s now. here's what you can expect this morning. sunshine with mild temperatures today. a cooling trend is going to start tomorrow and then a chance of rain, we are right now tracking for tuesday and some colder temperatures as well. so let's fly around the bay and look at some of

. >> the president may be concerned about the -- you know, willie horton, the massachusetts let him outnd he raped and whatever and became an -- is that a concern? >> it's always a concern that something is going to be a recidivist, somebody is going to reoffend. but we don't punish you for what you might do in the future. the criminal justice system is designed to -- you have retribution or make you pay for what you have done in the past and that justice. >> i didn't get the question answered and maybe you misunderstood me because i wanted to talk about the ferguson affect and cops and their job. >> oh, okay. >> on november 6th, you're hosting it, tell me about it. >> we have, as i said, over 775,000 members across our country, the 00 chapters of virtual networking chapter and this is the concept that when women get together and network, we're doing our own version of the old boy club, but we're doing it for the collective success of other women. so friday, we'll get an opportunity to bring a bunch of women together and network in different ways. we've got some really special guests. j

has obama set loose a new willie horton? >> well, that's really a whistle ad line. i think that's unfortunate, frankly. because all that willie horton conjures up. the first thing is race. so let's be direct about that. i think that's an unfortunate headline when you're talking about people who have been incarcerated over the years. we certainly know the criminal justice system has disproportionately impacted african-americans. but i think to have a headline like that, that's quite unfortunate. sends a very bad message. >> the other issue that has percolated up is since what happened in ferguson, missouri. some are saying there is a ferguson effect. first it was the fbi. and then there is a headline in the washington times this morning. now the d.a. chief is saying the ferguson effect is worth a discussion. that there is a chilling effect on police officers not wanting to get involved when they see criminal activity happen. >> you know what, i think it is irresponsible, frankly. in california, we're not talking about the ferguson effect. what we're talking about is

at all that we might find ourselves a year down the road, there is a spike in crime, there is a willie hortonstyle horror story or people just don't want to spend the money that it would take to fix the system. and we declare that what passed the senate judiciary committee today was victory and move on to something else. >> i think those are real dangers that we must guard against. that's why i said rather than all think we're going to solve this overnight and when it doesn't get solved overnight we're disappointed. i am much more interested in a sustained, steady process where we're bringing people together, we're listening to everybody and we're trying to maybe start with some low-hanging fruit and then we get deeper into it and we figure out more of what works and what doesn't. we're balancing that against the public's primary interest, which is making sure that they're safe. and by the way, that's in poor communities and black communities as much as anybody. historically, when you look at it, is one of the ironies here is that, when you look at racial bias in the law enforcement and crimi