b.j. isaacson jones. that was an interesting common ground. >> guest: i am a pro life republican but i think that politically, this issue is over, and the supreme court decided roe v. wade 42 years ago, i think, and it is not going to overrule itself, and abortion is a legal matter is going to be with us for a very long time. so, i think that to fight that battle is a political -- as a political issue is not fruitful but the story of lower rate to wagner and -- lorettaing aer in and bj isaacson jones and st. louis is very telling how people can try to reach common ground on very difficult issues, and how somebody who is pro life can accomplish something beyond the political sphere. isaacson-jones was the head of the largest abortion clinic in my state. loretta wagner was the head of missouri citizens for life. he was a very -- just died recently, wonderful person, dear person, very devout roman catholic. and they got to know each other, and they struck up a friendship despiting this major difference, and