. >> host: it goes into the policy blackbox. >> guest: the study that blackbox and we can say grace butt it together. >> guest: >> host: going back to your role as the world medical association, so we've talked a bit about health and health care and how they are not synonymous. you also talked about how you were factually treating in a healthcare setting and realizing that that was not the most effective way to the actually influencing health on a larger scale. so beyond the idea that we need politicians to embrace the idea of the social determinants of health and we should also be pushing presumably to change the providers and how they are trained into the framework in which they operate so how are you using your role to also influence how healthcare is actually being ruled out? >> guest: for me to be president of the healthcare association as i did when i was president of the british medical association i spend my life saying the key determinants of health by outside of the healthcare system and then they make me seem very strange so i made very clear that i had an agenda. my agenda i

. >> host: it goes into the policy blackbox. >> guest: scientists say to me we studied that and we canll you. >> host: going back to the role as the president of the world medical association, we talked a bit about health and health care and how they are not synonymous, but you also talked about but are actually treating in a healthcare setting and realizing that i was not the most effective way to be implementing on a larger scale. so beyond the idea that we need publications to embrace the idea we should be presuming to change how healthcare providers are trained and the framework in which they operate. so, how are you using your role to also influence health and how healthcare is actually being rolled out? >> i think it is a slightly odd position for me to be president of the world medical association as when i was president i spent my life saying the key determinants of health lying outside of the healthcare system and then they put me ahead. i made it very clear now that i have an agenda and it's not being delighted in having having democratic associations around the world. my age