. >> host: cary sherman who are the players in this debate? who pays for that? >> guest: we represent record labels in the year the business partners of the artist. we create sound recordings and basically when you make a copy of the words then you are the songwriters and publishers who write the music. they have their own separate copyright in separate licensing mechanism is an organization so it becomes quite complicated because you have to license to creative works for one in use by aa streaming service. then the licensing entities themselves that's where we represent the song writers and the publishers to have their own view. than the digital music services that are issued a different position because they operate under a different regime. pandora is a non interactive radio service that has the benefit of a government compulsory license we are required to be called music available to pandora as long as we paid a royalty rate set by the government even satellite radio has to benefit from the license except they cannot operate under a different rate standard t