laila ali a boxer. i would love to do. abcawun does your name get out they're? once you've got your name on a book to somebody see it? how does a snowball into another book? >> guest: ii am still hustling, and i believe in the hustle. i will tell you a quick story. when i did the 1st book, ray charles, i thought the next day i would get a call from paul mccartney and mick jagger, eric clapton and have gigs for the rest of my life. such a megastar. nobody called. in one of the things i learned as i can't count on the books that i've done to generate more work. to go out and -- i have an agent to above was also very proactive. is it is david de leon. but i don't think anything for granted. i also have to say, and maybe this is what kept me as a ghostwriter, i like the hustle. i mean,, i like cold calls. i think it's good for us to look for work and expose ourselves. in other words, to kind of risk rejection. i think it's good for the soul. i'm not going to talk to this person because they may reject me. that is me. it is okay to be rejected. i try to tell people. f