joining us now robert manning and peter wilson. wilson, at what point does this become kind of intractable because the war aims, the desired outcomes as i was discussing with ambassador burns irreconcilable. >> i think we haven't come to grips with the fact that basically the modern state of syria and iraq no longer exist, and the real issue here is what is our war aims and what is satisfaction, and i don't think we have a coherent view or one that is viable, for example, the call that we're going to reconstitute a democratic transitional government in syria, for example, i think is fantasy. and i also think frankly ultimately the idea that you are going to reconstitute an iraqi government in light of events is also very problematic. too much blood has been spilled too much violence. we are talking about a scenario which youal looted to, which is this is looking more and more like the outcome of yugoslavia. >> but there is not a bilateral conflict. there are so many combatants involved. do you agree with peter wilson that when the

analyst peter bergen, law enforcement analyst former fbi assistant direct director tom fuentes, congresswoman jane harmon, top democrat on the intelligence committee now heads the woodrow wilsoner. peter, how do officials likely determine that these ftwo killes had been radicalized for some time? obviously with hindsight they go back and find stuff. but they didn't find if they'd been radicalized for some time, why didn't they know that leading up to this? >> well, until we have a machine that can peer into women and mens heart and souls that's a hard question to answer. >> but if they're online and exchanging e-mails or tweets with bad guys and apparently they were and now they say the people they were communicating with whether through encryption overwhatever were on the watch list, being reviewed by the fbi and other u.s. law enforcement, wouldn't that have brought some attention to that? >> well, it looks like farook was in touch as evan was saying with trying -- either was in touch or trying to get in touch with people in al qaeda, maybe in syria. but often these things are dismissed. there was nothing else that seemed to prompt attention. in the case of the wife, you kn

now the president and ceo of the wilson center here in washington. also joining us, peterbaer, a former cia official. peter, visa application, the 21-page application, i've seen it. it looks like they went through the regular route. but you heard what jason chaffetz said there's no evidence the two met before the u.s. government allowed her in with the visa. >> well, it does -- that's what you're looking for in applications fraudulent claims you're actually married. forget about the jihady influence which of course they weren't going to volunteer. the fact is, it doesn't -- we don't know for a fact these people ever met are in the way that they claimed in their visa application. >> let me ask jane harman, as you know, congress has been holding hearings on this issue, finding gaps in the entire visa program. after reading the application, what more do you believe needs to be done to improve this process? >> well, i haven't read the entire application, i have to confess. but we have to know -- we should have known she went where young women are radicalized. she might not hav

wilson never sees it. brian: i want to thank you for joining us on back story today. [applause] brian: what do you make of that? peter: that was a wonderful interview. the notion of galvanizing white consolidating the emerging reality, this is not something dw griffith invented. leads to a big change for the worse. it makes things different. we have a dialogue, a growing danger. danger ofgrowing being oppressed. we talked about the emergence of scientific racism and jim crow segregation. this is twitter, instagram, economics. this is the cutting-edge science and technology of the day. peter: think of segregation is a new technology, just as the film is a new way of communicating. this is a perfect storm for african-americans. we need to talk a little bit more. speaking of the perfect storm, i think we have you talking to annette. peter: i will store right over there. anett annette is a historian at harvard. what can i say, she's my co-author. [laughter] [applause] peter: thanks for being here. this is a powerful moments. it's not just the history of film, we are talking about a major moment in american history. what

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peter bergen. law enforcement analyst and former fbi assistant director tom fuentes and former congresswoman jane harmon, she was the top democrat on the intelligence committee and heads up the woodrow wilsono you first, congresswoman. the the u.s. were to take out al-adnani, this would be symbolic or would this affect isis' operations? >> it sounds like it would really affect their operations for a bit of time. this is a resilient organization and more people pop up as we take them out and we have to roll back their territory, not just roll up their guys. then we have to defeat the idea. it's a big problem and we have to get on with it. >> how effective do you think it would be? what would the impact be, peter? >> well, think back to abu musab al zarqawi who founded al qaeda in iraq which was the pro general or the of isis. this was his plan. isis has increased dramatically in power since. so it's not about one person, it is as congresswoman harmon gestured at, it's about taking out the network, the middle managers. it's a campaign, more than one person so obviously he's significant but lots of significant people have been killed in the past. >> and taking out a network is a huge undertak

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