with a name like ruchika, i have heard hiring managers once i've made the cut, oh, that's an unusual name. and i think when i haven't read frank answer book i'll be honest here, but i have read his op ed, the examples he sites are wealthier white kids who did not end up going to very recognized colleges and still had a degree of success in ligh life. and i don't think, certainly i have the tenacity and i have the determination so i would like to believe i'd be able to make it this far, regardless. but i would be lying if i said that those credentials or my resume did not get me as far as i've come to date. >> quickly before i say good-bye, did it force you to work harder and by forcing you to work harder, pull some things out of you or develop some things you didn't already have? >> absolutely. going to places like columbia showed me the new way that -- where journalism is going. i was able to speak to some amazing people in the field. and i really believe a lot of the opportunities be it the internships i had after that or the people i managed to interview, secure interviews with, t