for decades there had been tensions between these mainly christian africans of southern sudan and the muslim arabs of the north. after the southerners rebelled, the north attacked their villages. first, they used helicopter gunships. >> now, there were 5 or more of these machines, great black crickets in every direction. adults were running from the machines, falling, screaming. [gunshots] >> then came the men on horseback. >> from our hiding place we watched the storm overtake the town. all was dust. i heard the crack of gunfire behind us. horses burst through the grass to the right and left. [machine-gun fire] >> thousands of children fled into the bush, including many children like valentino who became separated from their families. the children banded together to try to escape the fighting. >> we were walking to ethiopia, but we were not safe. there would be the sudan armed forces who would spot any moving target in southern sudan and drop bombs at them. so we would see dead bodies everywhere. everyone was looking for a safer place. and whatever it tooks, you know, walking at day

we have southern sudan. we have kosovo. i don't think transparent government is hallmark of either of those. the difference here that we're holding palestine to different standards because of the political and security aspects which is largely based on the land issues and contention over narratives. so, can you say something about how you could see those ideas moving us along a little bit faster? >> i would actually disagree with you on very basic point. i actually don't believe we've been trying to do either of these things, at least the last few years. during the mitchell times and when kerry was doing it, reform, even developments on the ground were really, if i want to be charitable i would say they were a distant second. if i want to be a less charitable i would say they would be a footnote. we were so fixated on the high diplomacy, we actually did not really put that much effort in trying to get the sides to change their behavior. we would use it in a meeting but these things might not be mentioned in the preamble of

it has a lot of oil, you go north across the water you're into southern europe, you go south you're into chad and sudan. >> dickerson: one of the points you said don't mistake being soft spoken for not being strong. do you think in this campaign there's been over emphasis on demonstrations of faith, talking about bombing -- the bleep out of isis and carpet bombing isis. too much of emphasis on show 'ness of strength? >> i understand why that appeals to people. we have been feckless and spineless. they want to see, come on now, let's get in there, let's do something. bit i hope people will not be cruel by just loud speech and guess particular could you lakess i hope people will look what has happened east in a person's life. it's a much better indicator of their strength. what have they overcome. what have they have been able to accomplish. look at that in my life and look at the many of the other lives i think that will make a pretty powerful argument. >> dickerson: you said recently you might be a one-term president, what did you mean by that? >> i meant that i'm not in this for political reasons. i'm