but i'm guessing that the people who come through your front door today in the 21st century in upside manhattancome for a variety of reasons, is that fair? >> that is certainly fair, and i think that that's also fair to say of my own faith. i did not grow up in the reformed church in america, and commuted to this domination. so i'm part of the trend that we're noticing here. in ouring congregation, we're looking at nones and believers meeting together to express a faith that's curious, and intellectual, and expansive for those who doubt in belief. >> you're a young person, and do you feel confident that as we talk here today, in 20 years, in 50 years, that there's going to be a place for a congregation like yours, that there will be enough people to keep the lights on and the heat bill paid? >> that's a great question. i think that i'm noticing an anxiety among my colleagues and clergy, but that's unfortunate. this is a time of creativity. i think of the christian scripture in isaiah, behold, i'm doing a new thing, and if we follow that, and allow for the spirit to guide us, to not fear, but we