say roger ailes sent that out, was that roger ailes? >> roger ailes as i reported today, roger ailes and his personal attorney, peter johnson jr., sat together, drafted the statement and sent it out to the objections of some of his most senior producers who said this is a crazy idea. basically why are you going after the republican front-runner with a childish, as trump says, childish statement? >> so you've got a situation now, here's the thing, both these people, i mean, they deserve each other in every possible way, right? i mean, they both have sort of gotten to where they are through the same -- >> it's important to point out trump would not be where he is without the promotion he got on fox news all throughout the run-up to this campaign. so it's -- >> you're saying before the campaign. that's the key thing to remember. >> they built him up in the wake of the whole birther, you know, controversy that he stirred. they gave him a call-in segment on "fox & friends" once a week, they promoted him. now they've kind of created this mons

it sent fox into chaos, roger ailes was scrambling. his executives as i reported thought it was in the a good idea to release that statement. he did it against their wishes. and today you see fox scrambling to try-- he's been calling donald trump as i reported also. donald trump will not pick up the phone call. roger ailes is trying to get through. he even called his daughter and other sur gats. they are trying to broker peace but so far donald trump is holding firm. and that again is another sign that we are in unchartered waters. donald trump is acting like a man who has all the leverage. >> rose: does he, megan? >> it's just crazy that we're even-- i mean, this discussion is so you know, exemplifies this race. we're talking about, you know, a sort of tit for tat between roger ailes and donald trump, you know, five days before the iowa caucus and how roger ailes, this sort of titan of media is having to call sur gats and hiferg his sur gats to call his sur gats to try to get him to appear at this debate. no one thought we would have

ailes. >> making an issue with fox news. this is the biggest piece of the news tonight and will reveal itself. showing up at this event tonight is the winner of the 2008 iowa caucus, mike huckabee and the winner of the 2012 iowa caucus, rick santorum. they represent about 5% to 7% support in iowa. by them showing up to this event they realize that they'll not be the republican nominee. they'll not win this. but by coming here, it's showing they support trump. that's a big deal. >> we'll talk about all of that and much more as we await donald trump and others. they are all speaking tonight and stumping in iowa. we'll get to it. you won't miss any of it. we'll take a quick break and be right back. want to get their hands on. if they could ever catch you. checking out the listing on zillyeah, i like it. this place has a great backyard. i can't believe we're finally doing this. all of this... stacey, benjamin... this is daniel. you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow. as lo

trump and fox news' roger ailes. as for fox, their response was simple. we can't give into any terrorizations toward any of our employees. the prize, nothing less than the soul of the republican party and caught in the cross fire, megan kelly. she clashed with trump in the first debate. >> you call women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. >> and angry trump called her bias. >> she gets out and starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> it wasn't always like this. trump praised her in 2011. >> do you think you're a better moderator than i am? >> no, never close. you have done a great job. >> fox defended kelly. quote, we learned from a secret back channel, both intend to treat donald trump fairly when they meet with him. for trump, that was the last straw. >> i came here to do the debate. when they sent out the wise guy press releases a little while ago done with some pr person along with roger ails, i said bye bye. >> to the debate

reporter: for years ailes helped build trump up and trump brought ailes big ratings but now the two men are at loggerheads with some even comparing this to a monster movie. trump as frankenstein. megyn kelly is call the in the controversy. as she prepares to moderate a trump-free debate. >> i'll be there. the debate will go on with or without mr. trump. >> reporter: she famously clashed with trump at the first debate of the season, causing trump to threaten a fox boycott, and insult kelly personally. >> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. and you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> reporter: ailes was furious, and fox said "trump doesn't seem to grass than candidates telling journalists what to ask is not how the media works in this country." later ailes and trump struck a tenuous truce, then broke it, then got back together again. and maybe they'll make up this time too. but right now feelings are raw and trump is the butt of jokes. >> this is the first gorgeous blond that he can't wra

person along with roger ailes, i said, bye-bye. okay? go ahead. >> are you afraid to debate -- >> no, no, no, excuse me, just so you understand, i've done six debates. i've done six. according to every single poll, i've won every single debate and probably the last one more than any of them, so every single poll has me winning every single debate. i've done six of them. and now you say when does this stop? how many debates do you have do? megyn kelly is a lightweight. this is a lightweight. this is not a reporter. this, to me, is just a lightweight. megyn kelly shouldn't be in the debate. i don't care about megyn, when megyn kelly didn't ask me a question, she made a statement last time, i thought it was inappropriate. everybody said i won the debate. let's see how much money fox is going to make on the debate without me. okay? all right? let's see. >> mr. trump, the sound bite, the full sound bite from tim russert you said to him, i'm very pro-choice, i hate the concept of abortion. >> correct. by the way, why didn't you read that befor

that is a shot across her bow and roger ailes' bow.s is bill o'reilly raising his hand and saying, wait a minute, for 20 years i've been the face of this network, i can book who i want on my show and i will bring him on. on that point, i actually don't think that establishment fatigue with washington is the primary animus in this election. i think it's about much more fundamental economics and security. people cannot see giving their children what they had. charlie: i agree with you, it is a policy question, and clearly they do have that -- they do feel that way and have a right to feel that way. but who do they blame for failing them? megan: if you're on the right, then you blame obama, entitlement programs, welfare, immigrants, people who are driving range rovers. if you're on the left, you blame wall street, politicians, greed, the inability of unions to get better conditions over the years. you blame the outsourcing of work. so the reasons why this concern are shared, who they blame is very different, but the central concerns are q

ailes was less of a presence at fox after an extended health scare.has been trying to prove he has still had his hands firmly on the reins. he still trying to show he is firmly in control. donald trump maybe a loose cannon but i can put the lid back on it. that is another way to look at the controversy. charlie: back in a moment. stay with us. ♪ ♪ bend me shape me, any way you want me as long as you love me, it's alright bend me shape me, any way you want me you've got the power, to turn on the light shape the best sleep of your life. sleep number beds with sleepiq technology adjust any way you want it. the bed that moves you. only at a sleep number store. the center of the political universe is in america's heartland, i will. we have three guest uniquely able to talk about this state, the history of the caucuses, its eccentricities of islands that play such a huge role in the presidential election. gardner, achael native of des moines, who became the editor of the des moines register and later the ames tribune where he won a pulitzer prize. 2-d --ens

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>> does it suggest that may have been a mistake made by roger ailes? >> trump is not doing the debate because he is afraid of megyn >> today's eye opener at 8:00 is presented by prudential. >>> the gift that keeps on giving. i'm chilly seven republican presidential candidates grabbed one last chance to talk to iowa voters from a debate stage in prime time. the party's front-runner did not. donald trump held his own event at the same time of fox news apart. trump says his rally raised $6 million for veterans. >> look at all of the cameras like the academy awards. this is like the academy awards. once this ball started rolling, we couldn't stop it and you see the house is packed. listen. i'm not going to do the debate at out of respect for myself. i won't do it because it would just be wrong. >> now even though trump boycotted the debate, people were still thinking about him. google says its users searched trump's name far more than any at the ted cruz and mario rubio was next. some interest in jeb bush but chris christie and rand paul didn't make the ch

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it is very much in keeping with roger ailes withering sense of humor. i think that trump also wanted to actually avoid tough questions and if you noticed the video questions that they used last night on cruz and on rubio showing them in their own words flip-flopping on these issues and i'm sure they probably had one ready for trump about abortion. >> how do we determine who won? >> i think when the tv ratings come in. >> that's it? >> in iowa, the voters, the voters. i think if donald trump wins in iowa and he did it without even taking place in sanctions with rnc event, i think he shows, you know, once and for all we have some empirical evidence to show he knows what he is doing. >> his idea is he prepared to take on anybody? he is that tough? >> yes, he is that tough. he is not going to let fox news tell him where to be. >> what are the overall ramifications of that? you look at the debate's first numbers, 24 million. is there any threat it could lose conservative viewers? >> i don't think -- fox is going to be around long after trump. even if trump g

i think if you are roger ailes, trump is not doing the debate kelly. it looks better for fox news. >> clearly. >> and trump is not doing the debate because fox news and >> but, clearly, he wanted trump to be there very much and he is pushing three phone calls evidently leading up to the debate. >> sure, sure. >> to try to get him to come. >> yes. i think -- what is interesting about trump is he completely unpredictable. i think when he first said, i'll probably boycott, he has threatened to boycott debates before. so, you know, i think a lot of people thought, oh, he'll show up. and there was a lot of shock and surprise when -- >> he didn't. >> he didn't. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good to see you. >>> world's largest retailer is walmarts on thursday. they shut their doors forever. many in small towns and rural areas with few other shopping options. the retailer cites a down grade in performance. david begnaud is in white good morning. >> reporter: good morning. it happened at 7:00 last night. a woman in the parking lot who sat with her arms folded

they say roger ailes spoke with last night's debate. he offered to join the debate after fox news donated $5 charities. fox said the following. reporter is with us. good morning.by trump with fox news canal? >> unprecedented? >> he only asked jeff zucker $10 to be fair. >> last night was extraordinary. he they had a breaking news banner saying trump lands in iowa. >> gold and black leather 757g flying over two states as ted cruz said for now not known. i think ted cruz can be in twone time because he dominated the debate stage when with everybody was getting the elephant not in the room out of the way. this other event, which, of course, cnn is covering wall-to-wall. >> he said it was a snarky comment made earlier in the do you think fox might have madeing that? because allegations they weren't fair to him? >> well, i think that you're not going to see a comment like that coming from any other news outlet besides fox is very much in keeping with roger ailes withering sense of humor. i think that trump also wanted to actually avoid tough

donald trump's campaign released a statement announcing he will boycott tomorr's debate saying roger ailes and fox news think they can toy with him. but, mr. trump doesn't play games. a statement that would carry a lot more weight if trump hadn't literally hosted a game show. [ laughter ] that was a game. no one there was an actual apprentice. following donald trump's decision to boycott tomorrow's debate. ted cruz says trumumis afraid to face moderator megyn kelly, because if she asks him mean questions, his hair might stand on end. [ laughter ] and that's a sight no one wants to see. only swirled, stacked not on end. after donald trump's decision to boycott tomorrow's debate jeb bush told trump to stop whining.

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your boss, roger ailes. he was my first political consultant.top being a lawyer and become a politician. and that man is a genius and he's a man who understands loyalty. >> that's right. and he has his employee's backs. >> and i love him. >> what we learned here tonight is rudy giuliani is going to have a cabinet position in the next administration. [ laughter ] great to see you, sir. a pleasure. >> i didn't get in one thing, you did not ask an unfair thing. >> thank you. i appreciate that. we did not plan that. >> i would have answered that question. >> thank you very much. >>> coming up, governor chris christie is here. he'll join us tonight on the breaking news about the fox news debate and a new poll reveals many voters in iowa still have not made up their minds. that's next on what that means. >>> plus, for the first time in more than five years, controversial filmmaker michael moore comes into the lion's den. fox news channel. and "the kelly file" to talk and "the kelly file" to talk about the 2016 race. in new york state, we believe tomor

that roger ailes directed himself when he first talked about not china. it is a debate for iowa voters in des moines. -- when he first talked about not showing up. let's talk about megyn kelly's question of the first gop debate. the things: one of people love about you is you speak your mind and don't use a politicians filter. however that is not what it sounds like when it comes to women. you call women you don't like fat cakes, dogs, and disgusting animals. donald trump: only rosie o'donnell. megyn kelly: no it wasn't. -- for ther account record, it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. your twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks. told a contestant on celebrity apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees. does that sound like the temperament of a man we should elect as president and how would you answer the charge for hillary clinton who is likely to be the democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women? host: that sparked a few between donald trump, megyn kelly, and roger ailes has defended megyn

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we know roger ailes has not been well.uarantee you if trump is the nominee, he's going to carry the media. >> you can watch donald trump here tomorrow night. >> i was wondering about that. that's good to know. >> here we are, don, 38 minutes into your show and we're talking a lot about all the other candidates, aren't we e? >> yeah. >> so trump is doing this very deliberately to put a thumb in the eye at fox and the rest of the media. look what he's doing with the rest of the media. it's the lead story, lead political story in the "des moines register." if you were any of the other kpds, what are are you going to be asked today? you're going to be asked about donald trump. it's a phenomenal way that he dominates the news cycles, the campaign sykcycles. >> a fox source telling me no advertise verrs have dropped ou. a story a few minutes saying murdoch still supporting roger ailes. >> murdoch was not for trump in the begin ing. he was dumping on him pretty heavily. >> it says rupert murdoch is trying to change the scenario.

it's roger ailes, it's fox news, they think they can toy with mr. trump. mr. trump doesn't play games, you know that. he's been to six debates. he stood on the stage with megyn kelly, answered every question from every debate moderator who posed a question to him. he's won every debate. this isn't about megyn kelly. this is about giving the american people the opportunity to ask questions, to hear from the candidates directly from a fair manner and what we saw we have been the cnbc debate is when the moderators want to be the story and not let the candidate answer or have the opportunity to answer questions or that the american people care about, there's ramifications to that. there's repercussions to that. >> wow. >> we saw cnbc did that and guess what happened? the rnc removed nbc from a future debate because of it. this shouldn't be about the moderators, this should be about the candidates. >> i was just going to say, this is unprecedented in the election season. the rnc did not like how cnbc conducted their debate and unfortunately we all paid for it here.

roger ailes spoke with trump three times before last night's debate. trump offered to scrap his plans for a boycott if fox news do kated $5 million to veterans charities. tv editor for the hollywood reporter is with us. good morni. extortion by trump with fox news channel? >> unprecedented? >> he only asked jeff zucker for $10 million for his charity. >> last night was extraordinary. not om did he skip the debate, >> yes, the trump gold and black leather 757, yes, landing in flayover state or fly-to state as ted cruz said it would for now all be known. i think he proved you can be in two places at one time. he dominated the debate stage when with everybody was getting the elephant not in the room out of the way. and then he had this other event, which, of course, cnn is covering wall-to-wall. >> he said it was a snarky comment made earlier in the week. do you think that fox might have made a mistake in saying that? because allegations they weren't fair to him? >> well, i think that you're not going to see comment like that coming from any other news ou

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. >> that sounds like a roger ailes statement. didn't. >> i'm lucky i have these glasses, otherwise i wouldn't be ail to read this. why do you think this sounds like roger ailes? >> i've read a lot of his releases. his releases are generally longer than the first one. the idea of throwing the ayatollah in is something i find very difficult to believe. >> can another corporation tell someone who they can have on a debate a stage? >> i don't think they should. you don't get to choose who is going to be the moderator. you can't decide what questions are off limbs. we vet our candidates. a lot of republicans and a lot of people at fox and a lot of the hosts have gone out on a limb saying we should have vetted obama more. i agree with him. i don't understand why they have such a problem vetting donald trump. the question megyn kelly posed to donald trump was quoting him directly. anything a candidate says or done in their entire life is fair game. if mr. trump or any candidate, republican or democrat, has a problem with that, i think v