and that early club scene, we opened the mud club, we played cbgb's, max's kansas city, hoorah's, uh it was so exciting cause other bands, you know, uh, blondie, devo, talking heads, you know we were all like, they came to see us and it started this buzz, yeah, and they were like and patty smith and all those that were punk, the ramons, you know were our icons. and when we started we weren't that aware. i mean we were in our own athens bubble, so we started writing, it was just, i think that's why we were so different. we didn't really have a prototype exactly to follow, which is like our crazy blend of everyone's personalities into a genie in the bottle brew, so um, when we went to new york, that was very friendly, you know debbie harry and chris stein invited us to their apartment, and we saw their gold records like um, on the floor, sort of leaning against the wall and we're like whoa, so it was very exciting to meet all those other bands and have them be supportive. it wasn't a rivalry, and also people started dancing. and that wasn't typical. a lot of people were leaning against