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what about opm, for its part, how many documents has opm produced to this committee?>> to this committee, i want to say in the thousands, probably over 5,000. i think what we've tried to do, to the chairman's earlier request, is focus on the ones that were the most -- that were responsive to provide that information as opposed to just documents. >> well, director levine, has opm ever taken the position at any point that it will no longer respond to this committee's requests? >> absolutely not. >> and throughout the course of identifying, gathering, and producing documents, can you tell us what challenges opm has faced that would account for any delays in producing documents to the committee? >> yes. absolutely. i think it's fair to say opm is a small agency that in the past had not been challenged with this level of a document production, and simply did not have the infrastructure in place, whether it be a staffing level, an expertise level, on a technical document management level, to quickly, efficiently, accurately produce documents in this way. and in addition, yo

publically available information has been repeatedly redacted by opm. in some cases our investigators have found answers more readily by reviewing the fed website. the lengths opm has gone to keep basic information from the committee leaves us with the conclusion that perhaps they are having a lot to hide. if something is embarrassing, that's not a reason to keep it from the congress. a successful working relationship between the congressional committee and the executive branch agencies require effort, communication and good faith on both sides. we need transparency. we need to work together. you have a lot of good staff and a lot of good people. we're not here to disparage any one person's reputation. we are here to get answers. we need to make sure we get those documents so we can do our job serving the american people. and we need your help in doing so. with that, i would now like to recognize the ranking member, mr. cummings. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. i strongly support the authority of this committee to obtain necessary documents as par

opm, we will get to the truth of this.tory of this country. we need a response. pastt us see if we can get and down to the nitty-gritty here. the chairman just mentioned documents that we do not have. cytech, why don't we have them? and can you tell us when we will get them? >> sure. >> it seems like we are going in a circle. maybe you all will be here long time. i cannot be here forever. going in circles -- i think it is unfair to the committee. can you tell us, give us some definitive answers? >> thank you very much for the question. to the best of my understanding, we have provided the information we have associated with that tool, to the extent that we need to go back and make sure we are being responsive. to follow on with the ranking member, if you don't have it, you need to explain why. you're absolutely under responsibility to preserve it. if you have not preserved it, that is another issue the committee will have to pursue. >> thank you. >> we now recognize mr. connolly of virginia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i f

levine: i am not. >> what about opm? how many documents has opm produced? mr.evine: i want to say in the thousands, probably over 000. what we tried to do to the chairman's request is focus on the ones that were the most responsive to provide that information. >> has opm ever taken the position that they will no longer respond to this committee's request? mr. levine: no. >> throat the course of identifying and gathering in producing documents, can you tell us what challenges -- and during the course of identifying and gathering and producing documents, can he tells what challenges you faced? mr. levine: i think they are a small agency that in the past has not been challenged with this level of document production. recently did not have the infrastructure in place whether imply staffing level there have been delays. we would like to do things out of quickly as we can. we have been moderately successful. i think it speaks to the volume and lack of preparedness for the volume. >> i thank you for your testimony. i thank you for your efforts in complying with these

levine: i am not. >> what about opm? has opm documents produced? mr. levine: i want to say in the thousands, probably over 5000. what we tried to do to the chairman's request is focus on the ones that were the most responsive to provide that information. >> has opm ever taken the position that they will no longer respond to this committee's request? mr. levine: no. course ofthe identifying and gathering in producing documents, can you tell us what challenges -- and during the course of identifying and gathering and producing documents, can he tells what challenges you faced? are avine: i think they small agency that in the past been challenged with this level of document production. recently did not have the infrastructure in place whether simply staffing level to produce document. in this way, the priority of the agency, since the breaches has withon being responsive respect to document request, as well as information about the services. it has been a combination. there have been delays. we would like to do things out of quickly as we can. we have bee

although the opm director resigned in the wake of the opm breaches i am still not satisfied that the responsible parties have been held accountable for the failure of the agency to address known security vulnerabilities. the most recent ig audit found opm has 23 systems that have not been subject to a thorough security controls assessment. opm does not have a complete inventory of servers, data paces and network devices in their system. just this week i did meet with newly appointed senior cyber and information second nolg adviser clifton triplet. i look forward to working with my colleagues and all federal agencies to ensure we are protecting the identities and information of our employees, applicants and their families. the cyber criminals, activists and state sponsored cyber terrorists are getting more creative and bolder in their attacks. the private sector has been at the forefront of dealing with these threats for some time as both the target of many of these attacks and the leaders in developing the technology and work force necessary to counter cyber threats. visa, which is i

what about opm, for its part, how many documents has opm produced to this committee? >> to this committee, i want to say in the thousands, probably over 5,000. i think what we've tried to do, to the chairman's earlier request, is focus on the ones that were the most -- that were responsive to provide that information as opposed to just documents. >> well, director levine, has opm ever taken the position at any point that it will no longer respond to this committee's requests? >> absolutely not. >> and throughout the course of identifying, gathering, and producing documents, can you tell us what challenges opm has faced that would account for any delays in producing documents to the committee? >> yes. absolutely. i think it's fair to say opm is a small agency that in the past had not been challenged with this level of a document production, and simply did not have the infrastructure in place, whether it be a staffing level, an expertise level, on a technical document management level, to quickly, efficiently, accurately produce documents in this way. and in addition, y

as we have seen this is what happened with the attack and opm.there were building a new enhanced network but the attack occurred on the existing system. without clear cyber security guidelines, mandated new software-based strategies that go beyond the new environments are subject to attacked as soon as they become operational. this approach is the insufficient and untimely. agencies have the ability to upgrade and add zero trust to find solutions that are more cost-effective. by deploying this technology is within our nation people can avoid billions of dollars of investment. thank you very much for the opportunity to testify today. i look forward to answering your questions. >> thank you. now we'll hear from mr. schneider. thank you for the opportunity to testify today. >> chairman, thank you for the opportunity to testify today. the focus of today's hearing is right on point. cyber security is a shared responsibility shared responsibility in the public private sector must work together closely to counter the threats. many of the headlines about

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office of personnel management, opm, alerting him of the theft of background investigation efforts. he admits he never heard of the agency. it just didn't add up. >> i was like, let me check into it. that's why i called you. >> news 6 contacted the agency's communication chief and he confirms the letter matches one of the sample letters on the website and they must match verbatim and direct the recipient to the opm site, if not, it's fake. >> why would they even have a shot at your stuff? >> because i'm a truck driver. >> that's right. it turns out kerry branch is a professional truck driver who on past runs has transported under the law, that job needs federal clearance, a background check. branch can't believe the system was breached. >> nobody should be able to hack into the federal government, you know. their system should be locked tight. >> for the record, just under 22 million americans are listed in the hacked database. the government has signed a three-year contract with oregon-based i.d. experts to make sure the documents are protected at no charge to the people on the dat

. > some breaking news right now from the opm.e federal government will be open tomorrow.o i'm just learning this from our producers. two choices, unscheduled leaveav or tell he work. this just coming from opm.pm. the federal government will be open.op our storm coverage also continues. we're live with how officials are preparing to dig us out ofut the blizzard. we're also going back to what to became the story of the night. we all felt this, grid lock. people stuck for hours trying to get hope. how d.c. is responding.re if you already didn't know this, this is the final season of american idol. new at 11, a girl who is battling blood cancer stands before the judges and sinks her heart out. that is on the way at 11. > welcome back, everyone, ame little breaking news about thege some of the closures tomorrow. opm announced that the federal t government will be openn tomorrow, but we want to kind of clarify the details here. it is open for employees. they have the option for an unscheduled or unscheduled work or tell he work. employ

perfect -- there were failures and opm, but nobody is immune, not the government or private sector. according to the privacy rights clearinghouse, a nine private -- a nonprivate -- there were against.goveaches -- the big one was opm. during the same time, the private sector experience 174 breaches. the huge problem for both sides. sharing best practices, educate federal workers is very important. i look forward to today's hearing. i am sure there are many lessons we will learn. i also look forward to equal certainty, there is much the private sector can learn from the government, especially the department of defense. i look forward to today's discussion. think you so much. -- thank you so much. madam chair, i yield back. >> i recognize mr. smith. mr. smith: last year more than 178 million records of americans were exposed in cyber attacks. the breach at the office of personnel management compromised the information of 20 million people included members and staff of this committee. united states is a top target for foreign countries. exploitiminals vulnerabilities in our networks and

and the opm was like that only 20-30 years ago the chinese would have needed trucks to take the stuff out and now you can do on a usb stick. one of the big lessons is ask your government why are you keeping this stuff online? you have convenience, absolutely. but is that worth the vulnerability? one of the best stories i have come across in the economist is the system that buys valuable time because in it you can -- there is a saying i heard you cannot pack a a steam engine. they would survive in a way no other transport would. we have to be prudent about moving away from things cannot be hacked towards things that are more convenient. >> thank you, mr. lucas. i study energy and environment here. but i used to work for the korean government agency doing cybersecurity. i think the recent international political environment has come to this state that international norms are very important in cyber space. but hearing from your example on estonia and other nations i feel like it is not only the states that have perceptions on cyber space but the states have different cultural norms they

opm made the announcement last night. employees do have the option to take unscheduled leave or to tell la wotelework. >>> metro says there will be fewer than eight car trains in service because of the storm. yellow line from plan cone i can't springfield will also resume. if you use metrobus, only a few routes still have detours. >>> i just didn't do it. it wasn't bothering me basically. >> well, the snow on sidewalks may not be bothering you in prince george's county, but if you don't remove it today, you will be fined. megan megan mcgrath live for us this morning. >> reporter: and it depends what street you're on. no question that shoveling your sidewalk can be quite a workout, but in prince george's county, it is the law. if you don't abide by the law, you could get a ticket and tickets are pretty hefty. take a look, we're in college park and you can see that a lot of the sidewalks in this neighborhood are not only shoveled, but dry and looking pretty good. but then you move along and look at this right here, all of a

opm and stealing the files and identities of more than 22 million u.s. and federal employees. bad, bad, bad. pat. >> i will give this to barack obama for resisting pressure and everything else to put large numbers of american troops into iraq and syria. >> here, here. i would also add which pat won't i.e. with but supreme court legalizing same sex marriage. >> yeah i'm going to say the small reforms that came through congress in terms of forming the social security disability fund. >> i'm going to say new york times and their so-called cardboard viewer of virtual reality videos. i think is going to in many ways revolutionize the future of media news and otherwise. >> what is the downside of the iphone? >> the iphone, the downside is it's expensive. >> what about the kids using it all the time. >> that is up to the parents. >> new generation. >> what is yours john? i see you flattering the new york time. >> best idea of 2015. russian billionaire $100 million project to find intelligent life in the universe. he is a physicist and put together a team of scientists to scan radio s

although the opm director design -- resigned. i am not satisfied that the responsible parties have been held accountable to adjust known security vulnerabilities. the most recent test the most recent ig audit found -- i look forward to working with my colleagues to ensure we are protecting the identities and information of our employees, applicants and their families. the cyber criminals and state-sponsored cyber terrorists are getting more creative. the private sector has been at the forefront of dealing with these threats. as both the targets and as the leaders in developing the technology and workforce necessary to counter cyber threats. is preparing to open a night -- a new center in my district this week. this state-of-the-art facility bring together 100 highly trained security professionals. it provides for collaboration internally and with partners enabling information sharing, rapid response, etc.. i'm privileged to have a number of companies who are on the forefront in this area. we have a number of those witnesses here

i don't think that's true of the chinese opm attack. think it's true of iran, for example hacking into our dam infrastructure. and, when you lie about a purposeful terrorist attack on benghazi instead of responding and retaliating honestly you send a signal. the problem is we have encouraged more bad behavior when we don't respond. >> all right. i will give you one that i think we missed the reset button. that was clearly during the time that she was secretary of state. >> yes. and it clearly failed. >> and i can see it. i am trying to sort out what's on her watch and what's not. collapse a lot of time as this race sort of goes on. i don't know if you saw the dispute today but donald trump with the support apparently, i mean at least-i shouldn't say support but senator john mccain has also said that there is some legitimate issue about whether senator ted cruz is eligible to are president because he was born in alberta, canada to an american mother and cuban father. where do you fall on this discussion? >> well, i don't know all the par

a monday morning quarterback, you know, which is what i would be doing if i were to reflect on the opm situation, the very unfortunate opm situation, because like all of you, i also received my letter that gave me the good news. i think that in retrospect had opm been using, you know, two factor authentication, had they been using encryption at rest, had they been using -- had they had log files, we would mhave hd a much different situation than perhaps we ended up having with opm. so as relates to the healthcare.gov situation, i don't know how they're storing the data to be able to reflect to you about what is appropriate. but i think generally speaking most people are a little nervous because those of us that are in the know worry that there just isn't enough resources being applied from a financial perspective to the i.t. security issue. it's not just at the federal level, it's at the state level, too. commercial corporations, on the other hand, i see around the world are taking the appropriate steps, you know, i gave the example early on in my testimony about jpmorgan chase. you kn

opm will be closing at noon tomorrow. school closings in anticipation, including loud and county, montgomery county, and d.c. public schools. there is a complete list at the bottom of the screen. leon: we don't think we have shutting this -- metro down the entire night for the entire region. we will have more on that omar team coverage. first, the latest on the strength in the track of the storm with meteorologist steve rudin. steve: a lot going on from the belfort furniture weather center. we just have a brand-new computer run, and the wild swing with increasing snow amounts. this is just one computer model and a lot can change between now and tomorrow. the latest, the winter blizzard warning in effect for the district, arlington, alexandria, fairfax, all the areas in bright red. this will continue for the daytime hours, afternoon hours tomorrow. as we move further west, a winter storm warning, with windy conditions, but not quite as windy around the immediate metro. nonetheless, a lot of snow will fall, and it will star

traffic still unusually light because of the delay with opm. from fort meade making your way down to 36th street in northeast now an 18-minute commute. northbound on 95 starting at the prince william parkway working your way up to i-395 a 10-minute commute. eastbound on i-66 things start to kick up once you get inside the beltway. from sully road to l street a 30-minute commute. and southbound on i-270 from middlebrook road down towards the capital beltway a 13-minute commute there. want to let you know i-270 looking better today than what it did yesterday when we had the two jackknifed tractor- trailers. outside this is trafficland cam here showing us how things are looking here at 50, 301. you can see free and clear both on the eastbound and westbound side and looks like they've been able to get the snow off the road so it's not going to shorten the lane at all which is certainly what you want to hear. but we do have other issues in terms of the ramps and overpasses throughout much of town. so that's what you need to watch out for. sky 9 righ

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and the official word came from opm just in the last couple of hours, federal offices open tomorrow, but employees do have the option for unscheduled leave or tele-work. >> there are shoulder lanes and sidewalks that still need to be cleared. and some districts are waiting until moend nday to bring the students back to school. let's start at storm center 4 with a look at how cold it's going to get tonight. >> add those people on the roads tomorrow, some ice and once again, it's a recipe for problems on our friday commute. but take a look at the numbers here. not just yet. we're not seeing the freezing numbers just yet. 32 in baltimore, 32 in ft.belmawr. we have not cooled nearly as fast as we did last night. and i don't expected to. however, by tomorrow morning, most areas will see some ice, icy patches in most areas. travel troubles, again, yeah, take your time. as i've been saying the last couple of days, pack your patience. you're going to need that, for sure. driving ice-covered roads, you know you're going to see those just like you did at this point. parking obviously an issue

>>> breaking news for federal workers, we just heard from opm in the last half hour. the federal government is going to be open tomato but all federal offices will close at noon. >> that means just about everything is closed or closing early for our monster storm. hello, everybody. it is the eve of an historic invest and all haschools have canceled classes tomorrow and even the metro is shutting down. >> 90 million in its path and we have seen tornado warnings and a blizzard for us. >> tomorrow morning may be the last chance to get out of the house until sunday. tonight, we've seen food, water, batteries flying off the shelves and gas pumps going dry. >> we start with doug in the storm center. we know it will be snowing this time tomorrow, doug. the big question is when does it begin? >> i think the timing on this getting a little bit better h e honed in. between 3:00 and 5:00 and down to the south. take a look. we have nothing around the region. we will have a little bit during the day tomorrow. all we have to do is widen out a little bit. the closest to our area, no

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when you look at the opm breach and the ten years that preceded that, and the work coming out of the white house and opm, it reflects the multiple approaches the administration said was going to be done to take cybersecurity seriously, nothing happened. there's been no consequences. >> how is it that more than half of the employees get bonused up? for instance, we had people that engaged in the sexual misconduct, and yet where they punished? was there a consequence? no. they got bonuses. they got promotions and bonuses. what does that say to the workforce? what does that say to -- there needs to be consequences from the secretary on down so they feel the heat that good people get rewarded and the bad apples are weeded out and pushed out the door. as you relate to the opm data breach, one of the largest data breaches we've ever had, 20 something million people whose information is out there and has been stolen, the inspector general, i think it was seven years running, and come up and highlighted this. at one point they actually said, unplug it, uninfluenciplug it, vulnerable. and we

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we've seen the irs hit, the state department, opm and even the white house hacked. small businesses trust the sba, your agency, with their information, oftentimes sensitive information. they don't want their neighbors or the u.s. government to have access to. yesterday the sba told us this information is not adequately secured, and that cannot continue. i want to make this simple. we are not asking you to defend the sba, we are asking you to do your best to fix it. and i would now yield to the ranking member for her opening statement. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you for holding this important hearing. as the only agency in the federal government charged specifically with helping small businesses grow and succeed, the small business administration is critical to our nation's overall economic health. all of its functions serve to strengthen and preserve the foundation of our economy. for small businesses to fully reap the benefit of sba's program, it is important for the agency to operate efficiently, effectively, using tax dollars wisely. one of the most im

. >> i had to find ways to be -- people say you need opm. opm can be other people's marketing, other people's manpower orr other people's manufacturing, and in the book, i put gigi butler who starteted off as maid and doing $30 million a year doing cupcakes and kevin plank, $4 billion annually doing underarmor. they all exercise the power of broke. >> advice. entrepreneur ellen park's team hit a roadblock. she's wondering what wou daymond do. let's take a look. >> toasty time, hoodies with mittens for pockets. we've been making hoodies for adults since 2007, and we are trying to branch out into kids' sizes, but we've been struggling gettinnoticed on our kickstarter campaign outside our already loyal clientele. what can we do? we're ready for prime toasty >> all right. >> well, she needs to go on facebook and find that audience that's talking about mittens and/hoodies or going skiing, things of that nature and buys $10 of advertisement ten separate times with ten separate messages and see how many people come back and like ad one, like ad thr

not just the hacking of opm, but that is just shameful. 23 million files in the hands of the chinese? it's not just the government, the private sector companies, it's our own government that needs to raise the level of our game. put the nsa in charge of the civilian side of this as well, that expertise needs to spread across the government and there needs to be much more cooperation. moderator: tim cook is telling you no mr. president. >> you got to keep asking. this is a hugely important issue. if you can encrypt messages, isis can, over the platforms, and we have no ability? moderator: do you ask or demand? >> the law has to change. if we are too punitive, you will go to other technology companies outside the united states. and what we want to do is to control. this we also want to dominate this from a commercial side. there is a lot of balanced interest. the president leads in this regard. that's what we need. we need leadership, someone who has a back bone and sticks with things rather than talks about them as though anything matters when you are talking about amendments that don'

publicly available information has been repeatedly redacted by opm. in some cases, answers have been found more readily by visiting the upsid website. it leaves us with the conclusion that perhaps they have a lot to hide. embarrassing,s that is not a reason to keep it from the congress. a successful working relationship between the congressional committee and the executive branch agencies require effort, communication, and good faith on both sides. we need transparency and need to work together. we have a lot of good staff, a lot of good people. disparage anye to one person's reputation, but we are here to get answers, and we to make sure we get those documents. we need your help in doing so. with that, i recognize the ranking member, mr. cummings. i strongly support the authority of this committee to obtain the necessary documents as part of our investigation. these documents are a critical tool to investigate waste, fraud, or abuse, eliminate .uplication we rely on other sources of testimony,, witness interviews, briefings, and meetings. .ocuments a

we have seen the irs said, state department, opm, even the white house pack. small businesses trust the sba, your agency with their information. often times very sensitive information that they don't want a rival business or neighbors or the chinese government to have access to. yesterday, gao told us this information is not adequately secured and that cannot continue you want to make this simple. we are asking you to do your best to fix it. i would not yield to the ranking member for the opening statement. thank you, mr. chairman. thank you are holding this important hearing. the only agency in the federal government charged specifically with helping small businesses grow and succeed, the small business and an assertion is critical to our nation's overall economic health. all of the functions are to strengthen and preserve the real foundation of our economy. for small businesses to fully reap the benefits from sba's program, it is important to operate efficiently and effectively, investing taxpayer dollars wisely. one of the most important roles of these comm

not just the hacking of opm, but that is just shameful. 23 million files in the hands of the chinese?t's not just the government, the private sector companies, it's our own government that needs to raise the level of our game. put the nsa in charge of the civilian side of this as well, that expertise needs to spread across the government and there needs to be much more cooperation. moderator: tim cook is telling you no mr. president. >> you got to keep asking. this is a hugely important issue. if you can encrypt messages, isis can, over the platforms, and we have no ability? moderator: do you ask or demand? >> the law has to change. if we are too punitive, you will go to other technology companies outside the united states. and what we want to do is to control. this we also want to dominate this from a commercial side. there is a lot of balanced interest. the president leads in this regard. that's what we need. we need leadership, someone who has a back bone and sticks with things rather than talks about them as though anything matters when you are talking about amendments that don't

. >> so far no word from opm on the status tomorrow and we know they'll be meeting in a few hours so we'll keep checking and keep you posted. in the studio, i'm chris lawrence, news 4. >>> i'm carol maloney at the live desk and the caps game tomorrow at the ducks at verizon center has moved up to a 5:00 p.m. start ask it had been scheduleded for 7:00 p.m. and no word yet for sunday's game against the penguins and it was supposed to be on nbc 4 and we'll have your snow-related postponements and for now, caps game tomorrow now a 5:00 p.m. start. guys? >> a blizzard warning has been issued for the region and you know that as we get closer to the major storm. >> doug canceled a vacation so he can stay here to cover this thing. he is so pumped up. what are we looking at? >> i was supposed to leave to colorado to go on a weather conference with jim cantore. guess where jim cantore is now? >> did -- half of the people from the weather conference have now had to come back. they have had to come back. i didn't even go because i wanted to be here watching this storm with you because there's no

. >> reporter: in the wake of the opm data breach, a new government office.ard of 2016 dumped tons of snow on