. >> rose: max helpchin who you and i both know and admire said that apple should, this is what i was trying to get you to say. apple should offer the fbi the exact data. but they should not offer them a master key. >> yeah, that would solve this particular case. >> rose: is that what they should do then, offer this exact data but not a master key. >> the only discretion apple has is whether to go through this whole judicial process or not. i'm not going to sit here and say no, they should stop right now and not go through the judicial process. because i do, i do view the discussion about hey, isn't the government on our side. wait a minute, why are some people so reluctant for the government to have access and what does it mean about there's quite a variety of governments. what does it mean about that. >> rose: and you value your own privacy. >> sure. >> rose: and so do i. >> but the notion that of what is absolutely unaccessible or not, people also should, you know, be kind of educated about that. >> rose: i want to talk about some other things too. you said some really fun things.